French Court Orders Google To Block Pictures of Ex-F1 Chief Mosley 180
Virtucon writes "This one goes to the old adage 'closing the stable door after the horse bolted.' A French court on Wednesday ruled that Google must remove from its search results photos of a former Formula One racing chief, Max Mosley, participating in an Nazi-themed orgy. Google could be fined up to 1,000 Euros/day for not complying. What's strange here is that Mosley A) Sued in a French Court B) Didn't go after anybody else other than Google and C) has definitely strange tastes in extracurricular activities. In this day and age it's laughable to think that once your private photos/videos hit the Internet that you have any expectation of reining them in or filtering the embarrassing parts out. Google isn't the only game in town so to speak in terms of Internet search. I wonder if his lawyers checked out Yahoo or WebCrawler?"
Wasn't this on Top Gear years ago? (Score:2)
I mean, they did spend a few episodes beating the poor joke to death.
Nazi themed orgy? (Score:2)
Link or it didn't happen
Re:Nazi themed orgy? (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d3_1207044480&comments=1 [liveleak.com]
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Fine. (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Fine. (Score:5, Funny)
Nah. Google should just redirect French users to Bing if they search for Max Mosley pics.
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That's not how international companies work.
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Google not in France Not obligated to do shit for the Frogs Court orders, Just ignore them.
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So do it for IP address blocks allocated to France, and for IPs that have .fr RDNS.
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Why should Google be doing RDNS queries on every request?
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Google does have a French subsidiary, which places them under French jurisdiction. A bigger problem is the fact that Google has been ordered to block the images worldwide. Whether France has the authority to do that or not, I have no idea.
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Whether France has the authority to do that or not, I have no idea.
Of course it doesn't. But if Google want to continue doing business there, they may have to comply.
This kind of nonsense is why few sane companies would want a presence in France.
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This kind of nonsense is prevalent in every country (the us is certainly not the last in this type of behavior).
When was the last time a US public figure got a US court to demand that the Internet remove all pictures of them doing something disreputable?
And also, almost all companies have a French subsidiary
Uh, no, they don't. Only a tiny, miniscule fraction of companies have French subsidiaries.
But feel free to keep living in a French fantasy world if it makes you happy. You could even buy a beret and smoke some evil-smelling cigarettes on the sidewalk if you like.
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Only a tiny, miniscule fraction of companies have French subsidiaries.
"a tiny, miniscule fraction of" = "large, international"
Of course Joe's Pizza Empire does not have a branch in France.
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Why would they drop Germany?
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They don't have to stop serving up search for the frogs. Just move out of frog courts jurisdictions and flip them the bird.
How many times do I have to tell you guys (Score:4, Funny)
Re:How many times do I have to tell you guys (Score:5, Funny)
What happens at the nazi themed BDSM orgy stays at the nazi themed BDSM orgy!!!
One would think, but sooner of later it's going to spread to Poland, France...
why he chose France (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:why he chose France (Score:5, Funny)
I sued there because he could win there.
Welcome to Slashdot, Mr. Mosely.
I'd like to introduce you to a couple of our friends here: Barbra Streisand [wikipedia.org], and the Preview Button.
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There is a Google.fr, right?
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Another reason is reactionary, "Yanks go home" anti-Americanism. It sells, gives politicians the ability to stay in office, and keeps the populace distracted. Were this a French search engine, none of this would have taken place. However, France (and oftentimes the EU in general) will drag a US company on the carpet because it is good PR for them as opposed to keeping their own house clean.
Freedom paradox (Score:2)
Ones freedom is often someones else oppression.
Making laws and rules for a free society are extremely difficult and rarely perfect.
We want the press to be free, but we want our information to be private, however if our neighbor is up to something we want to know.
After an act of terrorism we get all up an arms because the government didn't collect and connect the information of the plot. However we also don't want the government spying on personal lives, and making these connections.
The best we can do is try
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So go after the uploader, Google should not be censoring anything.
All bollocks - the bloke is a prick (Score:5, Informative)
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Apparently the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. And look, someone is already doing damage control for Max, removing the Nazi connection from his page: Max Mosley [wikipedia.org].
Didn't go after anybody? (Score:5, Informative)
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Yahoo and Webcrawler? (Score:2)
I would have used Bing and DuckDuckGo. The other two aren't relevant anymore. Or, was that the point?
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This story? (Score:2, Insightful)
http://www.indexoncensorship.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/News-of-the-World-Max-Mosley-Cover.jpg
Who cares ?
NSFW (Score:2)
Yahoo has them.
Just saying :-)
Before we exploit the Streisand effect... (Score:2)
Trust me, you do not want to see these pics. Ban them from the internet with fire!
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I am no fan of Google, but... (Score:2)
One has to admit that they are an important part of the Internet infrastructure. Billions and Billions of dollars of commerce are generated by Google searches for companies that have little or no direct contact with Google. Every time a government does this, Google should shut that country off until the various entities that DEPEND on the free exchange of information complain and withhold campaign contributions/bribes.
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One has to admit that they are an important part of the Internet infrastructure. Billions and Billions of dollars of commerce are generated by Google searches for companies that have little or no direct contact with Google. Every time a government does this, Google should shut that country off until the various entities that DEPEND on the free exchange of information complain and withhold campaign contributions/bribes.
Or Microsoft buys a few more servers for Bing.
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Or Microsoft buys a few more servers for Bing.
If, of course, Bing were usable in any way. Bing is terrible. Bing makes it clear that Microsoft is on its way out as a dictator of the market. Besides capitalizing on the dumb luck of becoming the dominant OS company in the 1980s. It is simply amazing to me how long they were able to keep that going.
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obviously haven't used bing recently
Quite wrong, I have and I am not impressed.
Here's an idea: (Score:3)
every request for Google from a french ip address results in a 'the web page you requested could not be found.' message.
The French will be shitting into their snails before you can say 'Les Cargo'!
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Clippy: It looks like you aret trying to write "escargot". Would you like to continue saying "the cargo" in French?
brilliant! (Score:5, Insightful)
Instead of some mild and uninteresting pictures, when you search for "Max Mosley", you now get hits about something involving Max Moseley, five female prostitutes, and a Nazi S&M sex orgy. Way to go!
And you learn that he is the son of Sir Oswald Mosley, founder of the British Union of Fascists, and looking like he stepped out of Monty Python sketch. (I'm assuming "Sir" is not merely an S&M title, but I suppose you can't be sure at this point.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley
He's setting a precedent (Score:3)
If he can defeat Google in open court, he can use the case as a precedent to defeat anyone. This is the brave litigant's version of "choose a good target". Cowardly litigants start with the person who has the worst chance of defending themselves, but if they cave, its doesn't set a precedent.
He's not after Google: he's after everyone.
Lawyer stuff is subtle (and some of them are quick to anger (:-))
--dave
Google just indexes what's out there (Score:2)
The most that a court should be able to do is ask Google not to continue caching content that has actually been removed from the various other Interweb servers by court order.
This is like arresting the person who points directions to the brothel to a tourist.
Sounds like the kind of overreaching and arbitrary judicial decision you might find in say, a country run by CENSORED-BY-GODWIN.
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Ask Mosley to write/supply the filtering algorithm (Score:2)
Certainly if he believes it must be technologically possible for Google to do, then he should be able to supply them with an algorithm which accomplishes the desired ends.
Google is the expert here... if they are saying that a problem is not tractable for them to manage, there's a pretty good chance that they are right. It should be up to those who would dispute that position to prove that Google is wrong.
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Yeah, if only Google had some sort of technical way of taking down some results of its search engine upon external request just like it is doing for DMCA requests... oh wait...
Re:Ask Mosley to write/supply the filtering algori (Score:5, Informative)
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Sure and if he wants to supply the list of urls that should be taken out of search results that would be relevant. But that isn't what is being asked and hence isn't relevant. That is what they have been doing, but apparently Mosley is tired of playing whack-a-mole, for example: http://www.chillingeffects.org/courtorder/notice.cgi?NoticeID=1259783 [chillingeffects.org]
I guess it's 365,000 euros a year for France - just put up the picture on a a different url each day and have it show up in a google search and send google the bil
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That way they can't be held responsible for perpetuating libel, should that be his claim.
worldwide ban (Score:3)
Note that the French court is attempting to impose a worldwide ban. How's that for European legal overreach?
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Please, get with the bashing program. The French are Euro types. Only TEH EV1L5 USA attempts to impose its laws worldwide.
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Makes a change from bombing shepherds on a mountainside with B2's in the name of "freedom".
Although, I think I'd be more worried about the legal overreach. Lawyers are more dangerous than nuclear-capable stealth aircraft.
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But not a change from killing environmental activists on the Rainbow Warrior.
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Who do these French think they are? Americans?
Doesn't this have to stop at some point? (Score:3, Insightful)
Libelous summery? (Score:4, Interesting)
The whole point of the court cases has been it was not a Nazi themed orgy. The newspapers and the prostitutes just made that bit up to sell papers. In fact it has been proven it court that it was merely an Englishman going to a brothel to be beaten by dominatrix prostitutes and his right to do so privately has now been upheld by the French courts.
So, repost it ... (Score:2)
As a public service, everyone should put up at least a link to the story (if not the pictures).
Show them the Streisand effect in action.
This is amusing (Score:5, Insightful)
Somehow I doubt that anyone on Slashdot is offended by the notion of a Nazi-themed orgy. The Internet generation doesn't get shocked very easily anymore. Goatse, Tubgirl, NumberGenderNumberContainer videos, and half the memes ever created are far more offensive than some people having a role-playing orgy behind closed doors.
I believe I just coined the term NumberGenderNumberContainer...
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2 girls 1 cup is clearly the genre defining item in the set: NumberGenderNumberContainer.
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You forgot kids in a sandbox and 2 girls 1 cup.
I think the later is covered by NumberGenderNumberContainer as that is exactly what it is.
A Huge problem (Score:4, Insightful)
The very nature of the net is such that no nation should be allowed to demand anything at all concerning content. France is a fine nation but the notion that they can have any voice in that which is displayed world wide is absurd. Obviously different groups of people have vastly different morals and beliefs. What the net does is give everyone the ability to be offended half out of their minds. What may be considered a savage crime in one place or an act of perversion in another place is perfectly acceptable in other places. Frankly I do not want any nation having any ability to censor the net. It is up to all of us to step up to the plate and be willing to be shocked, mortified, enraged or degraded in order to maintain freedom. Free people should not vote to restrain the freedom of others.
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Good point. But why for the love of (all that may or may not be holy in your particular jurisdiction) did you have to reference the cucumbers and bananas?
Not Nazi, just German (Score:4, Interesting)
something to be said (Score:2)
Bing you are it. (Score:2)
Identify the search and redirect to MS.. perhaps with a message "merci.... bing".
Re:Why is he special? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Why is he special? (Score:5, Informative)
Yep, I never would have even thought of looking for it until I read about the lawsuit. Now of course I just had to see it. Not hard to find, by the way: here [liveleak.com]
Re:Why is he special? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Why is he special? (Score:5, Funny)
It's better! He Rule 34'd the Godwin of the Streisand effect! (or something like that).
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It's better! He Rule 34'd the Godwin of the Streisand effect! (or something like that).
You win the internet.
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It's better! He Rule 34'd the Godwin of the Streisand effect! (or something like that).
You win the internet.
He's still got to fill out form 27b/6 to claim his prize . . .
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It's better! He Rule 34'd the Godwin of the Streisand effect! (or something like that).
In Soviet Russia, Godwin would have ruled him with effectively 34 Streisands. Can you imagine that?
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and this is old stuff too.
people had already started to forget it and remember him just for ruining f1.. actually that might be a good reason for him to invoke streisand effect.
Re:Why is he special? (Score:4, Funny)
I believe it's called "pulling a Mosley". Or if it wasn't, it is now.
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Classic Schmosley.
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Why does he get special privacy?
Don't worry, he won't. Streissand effect will make sure if that.
But, although I hate to defend this guy (obviously a first class ahole)... If he weren't famous for other reasons than this odd nazi fetish, these images would have never received as much attention.
Re:Why is he special? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Why is he special? (Score:4, Insightful)
Its like that court in Texas where the Patent Trolls always sue, France has made a few implausible rulings against Google so he went there.
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He was engaging in private consensual acts that harmed no one and are nobody elses business. For that he was crucified in British tabloids to the point where he had to battle in courts and in media for months just in order to keep his job. I believe he won the court case and got quite a tidy sum from News of the World and in revenge he helped bankroll the court expenses of claimants in the phone tapping case against the paper which finally killed it. IMHO fair play to him. Going after google is a bit ridicu
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He was engaging in private consensual acts that harmed no one and are nobody elses business. For that he was crucified in British tabloids to the point where he had to battle in courts and in media for months just in order to keep his job. I believe he won the court case and got quite a tidy sum from News of the World and in revenge he helped bankroll the court expenses of claimants in the phone tapping case against the paper which finally killed it. IMHO fair play to him. Going after google is a bit ridiculous though but not as ridiculous as the French law that apparently allowed him to win the case.
I completely agree, he hurt nobody but himself and I agree privacy should be protected. He won his case against that rat infested, mercifully now passed, den of knuckle-dragging imbeciles that was The News of the World and that was the right decision. As a private citizen he can do whatever he likes so long as it doesn't violate the rights of others as far as I'm concerned. There comes a point, however, when the cat's out of the bag and no matter how much money or power you have (or think you have) you're n
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erm, he isn't putting any money up - he's sued all those newspapers and made more cash than a nazi war criminal's swiss bank account!
And now, I guess he's spent it all so .. its off to the courts to say how dreadful these images and videos are still on the internet and unless Google (or whoever) pulls them off, he'll receive another £1000 per day.
Frankly, for the amount of cash he screwed out of the papers, I'd let some fat german chick whip me.
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erm, he isn't putting any money up - he's sued all those newspapers and made more cash than a nazi war criminal's swiss bank account!
And now, I guess he's spent it all so .. its off to the courts to say how dreadful these images and videos are still on the internet and unless Google (or whoever) pulls them off, he'll receive another £1000 per day.
Frankly, for the amount of cash he screwed out of the papers, I'd let some fat german chick whip me.
Clumsy wording on my part, I consider spending a buttload of money on a legal case to suppress information that's out in public a sort of indirect use of hush money. I suspect that the option several people have already suggested will have to suffice, provide a message to all users originating searches from French IP blocks. If the French courts think they can compel Google to enact this on a global level, they're dreaming however.
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Don't worry, he won't. Streissand effect will make sure if that.
It's old news [thepiratebay.sx]. Although, perhaps there will be a surge of seeds now. :-)
Also, I've misread "extracurricular activities" as "extravehicular activities". But I guess that the gravity of this incident would prevent that anyway.
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For the record, the pictures are available here [lemonparty.org]. They were infamous long before anyone knew it was this Mosley guy (he's nobody to me).
Nobody in the right mind clicks a lemonparty link.
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This is the short and censored version. Supposedly it was a 5 hour video. Anyone got a torrent?
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Not that it's any of my business, buy why do you want to watch 5 hours of a 72-year old man getting beaten by 5 hookers?
Re:The Video (Score:4, Funny)
To paraphrase Zach and Miri,
If you told me there was a 5 hour video of a 72-year old man getting beaten by 5 hookers, I'd say, "Why aren't we watching that right now!"
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I'm bored with the standard silicone babe blowing the guy with the 14" appendage then he eats her then they do doggy, legs in the air and spoon positions in some order then he pulls out, she hits her knees with mouth open and he jacks off on her face and tongue. It was cool the first 5000 times or so but now leaves me flacid.
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It's hard to use something that has been on the front page of newspapers as blackmail material. "Oh no, if I don't do what you say you'll publish this information that was on the front page of the paper? Oh anything but that! What if someone finds out?"
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I thought the reign in Spain fell mainly on the planes . . .
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Maybe he's planning on running for office. Know your electorate.
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This takes the Streisand effect to new depths.
FTFY.