FTC Demands Search Engines Separate Paid Advertisements From Search Results 230
An anonymous reader notes that the FTC has sent letters to search engine companies (PDF) telling them to make sure advertisements are clearly distinguishable from search results.
"According to both the FTC staff's original search engine guidance and the updated guidance, failing to clearly and prominently distinguish advertising from natural search results could be a deceptive practice. The updated guidance emphasizes the need for visual cues, labels, or other techniques to effectively distinguish advertisements, in order to avoid misleading consumers, and it makes recommendations for ensuring that disclosures commonly used to identify advertising are noticeable and understandable to consumers. The letters note that the principles of the original guidance still apply, even as search and the business of search continue to evolve. The letters observe that social media, mobile apps, voice assistants on mobile devices, and specialized search results that are integrated into general search results offer consumers new ways of getting information. The guidance advises that regardless of the precise form that search takes now or in the future, paid search results and other forms of advertising should be clearly distinguishable from natural search results."
Sounds like BS to me (Score:3, Interesting)
Google never indicated, to me at least, what was in the search results. I don't see how it could be deceptive.
And even if it was, does that matter, since I don't pay Google one red cent for the service?
Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:5, Insightful)
Regulating advertising is a function of the FTC.
Just because you are not paying is no reason why advertising should be represented as anything else.
Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:5, Informative)
Google already does this... if you search for a product the first results you get are "Ads related to {Your Search Terms}" There are usually two or three online retailers followed by local retailers and google map showing those local retailers. Scroll past that and you get the actual search results and text ads on the right of each result page. Yahoo and Bing try to do the same thing {bing doesn't show a map} and duckduckgo has it's ads in a different color and they say "Sponsored Link" next to them.
{I don't actually use yahoo, bing, or duckduckgo but had to look and see how they were laid out}
Not sure how any other search engines are laid out but figure those are the four I hear the most about. I figure for public relations and to keep traffic the top search engines will do this anyway.
Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:4, Interesting)
Google already does this... if you search for a product the first results you get are "Ads related to {Your Search Terms}" There are usually two or three online retailers followed by local retailers and google map showing those local retailers.
Actually the FTC letter is much clearer on this than the summary. (Hey, its Slashdot, what else is new?)
The FTC letter addresses PAID search results. (As well as the super-set of paid search results that are PROMOTED search results).
These must be distinguished from hits on the text of the page. The net result is that if your company is a Google advertiser (adwords for example) and one of the hits shown brings up your Adwords link it must be clearly delineated from the list of hits that just trigger based on the content of the page.
Even if both are present, only the paid advertising must be so marked.
And I agree, Google does a pretty good job of making the distinction, both on the desktop and on mobile devices.
Bing: Not so much.
For instance, I searched a random thing: Peach Trees.
I used both Bing and Google. Google clearly showed what was paid advertising.
With Bing, I was never really sure, other than one result is always promoted to the top with an option to "only show results from".
I'm left guessing if ANY results are paid or not.
Try it again, using any random make of car, say Ford Mustang or Toyota Prius.
Google clearly differentiates the Paid ads.
Bing does not.
Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:4, Informative)
Nice custom crop job.
You deliberately cut off the top indicator that stated "Ads Related to [search term] which has an info circle.
Why should I read anything you post when you go out of your way to custom crop what Google puts on the page?
Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:4, Informative)
Are you paid to post crap about Google?
Notice your screenshot is trimmed down to hide the word "Ads" from the top right. You might say it us not prevalent enough and have a point but by photoshopping your screenshot you also edited away your credibility.
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The current Google page, the first is an ad, second is not. http://i.imgur.com/Wmdd0.png [imgur.com]
Ok, compare that to my screenshot: http://www.google.com/#output=search&q=mesothelioma [google.com]
Looks nothing like your image at all. The one ad at the top clearly states "Ads related to mesothelioma" and has a space between it and the rest of the search results that come from page content matching.
I'm tempted to even call your image a fake.
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I just did a DuckDuckGo search for "Peach Trees". Search results showed nothing that looked like it may have been a paid for result. Sure, there were eBay and other for sale type sites that came up, but I'm fairly certain those were simply from the normal crawling the search engine did, and not from any kickbacks that the sites in question may have paid out to be listed at the top.
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Regulating advertising is a function of the FTC.
Yes, but only in the United States. The issue I have is that a US agency is asserting that is has authority over what happens on the world wide web.
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Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:4, Informative)
If you read the letter they sent to US based search engines you will find they are only talking about FTC Act Section 5 which I believe is codified in 15 USC 45(a). http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/45 [cornell.edu]
If you read that section of the law you will find that it mostly just applies to US businesses.
Do you have any actual evidence that the FTC is trying to assert authority over a non-US based business that runs a search engine?
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If you aren't bright enough to notice that an "ad" is not related to what you were searching for and ignore it, then you have more serious problems than worrying about whether the government is adequately protecting you from Google.
Did you intentionally misrepresent what the issue is, or are you just that obtuse?
Consider a (real-life example) search for "VLC". Most of the very popular software products (open source and otherwise) have had completely unaffiliated third-party companies take out advertisements with Google and Bing on their names. We're not talking about somebody stupidly ordering "100% REAL FOR SURE GUCCI BAGS" from some Chinese knockoff site. These are often intentionally misleading attempts to get people to downloa
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I guess I despise those who think we need more government regulation to protect ourselves.
Maybe the government should also create and enforce regulations against supposedly tech-savvy folks from giving bad advice without really knowing what they are talking about. That is exactly what you described: A tech savvy person using software that modifies a web-site and then giving some vague instructions to a non tech savvy individual that the tech savvy person should know probably isn't using said software.
In oth
Example screenshots of the abuse... (Score:5, Informative)
Google and other ads are specifically designed to look like search results and exploit the fact that older people cannot see contrast of the background as well as younger people. Or even younger people using bad quality or badly calibrated monitors. (Or using Flux).
The contrast on the background is much lower than the federal 508 standard for contrast and I think has changed to over the years to a lighter shade as Google "optimizes" it.
http://i.imgur.com/Wmdd0.png [imgur.com]
One is an ad and one is a search result, is there much difference? Given the average quality of monitors, I think those are designed to fool even otherwise sharp eyes.
There is a border on the right of the ads but none on at the bottom. Google must be getting tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue from the color change from blue to yellow, the ones shown in the example are about $50 to $100 for each click.
http://ppcblog.com/fbf0fa-now-you-see-it [ppcblog.com]
http://blumenthals.com/blog/2012/01/31/is-google-intentionally-trying-to-minimize-the-fact-that-these-are-ads/ [blumenthals.com]
Guess they employ many behavioral psychologist super PHDs who tweaked the carefully and scientifically calibrated colors on ads and removed all contrast including borders to make many folks not realize where the ads end and the actual results begin. Forget about people going to paid websites and screwing websites that don't charge users that rank well organically because they're good and popular but don't give the Googolplex any money.
"Study:Contrast sensitivity gradually decreases with age"
http://www.eyeworld.org/article.php?sid=818&strict=0&morphologic=0 [eyeworld.org]
Corporate Motto.... (Score:4, Funny)
Google and other ads are specifically designed to look like search results and exploit the fact that older people cannot see contrast of the background as well as younger people. Or even younger people using bad quality or badly calibrated monitors
I was reading their corporate motto "Do no evil" on their site, and then I saw your post and upped the contrast on my monitor and then saw the entire text that was hidden earlier, "Do no evil - except when it makes us money. In that case, be very very evil." !
You and the FTC must really be on to be something here!!!
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Crap! Slashdot's "Post Anonymously" checkbox needs more contrast!
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Nah, Google's corporate motto is "Don't, be evil". The comma is just printed in a very low-contrast color.
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Your second link, in the comments has a solution to the problem presented in the article. If someone has a monitor that only displays 256 colors, and doesn't display my high color picture correctly, that is my fault how? How about creating a solution to the problem, an alternative CSS for Google that can be used on older / crappier monitors, rather than complaining?
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Comparing Monsanto to Consumer grade equipment limitations is a great analogy /sarcasm
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One is an ad and one is a search result, is there much difference? Given the average quality of monitors, I think those are designed to fool even otherwise sharp eyes.
I have a Dell IPS, and a craptastic non-name-brand sub-$100 LCD, run with f.lux to set them much warmer, and it's really clear on both of them that the ad is on a beige/yellow background while the search result is not. Also, the group of ads is labelled at the top, which you didn't include in your crop, but it's important since just on the layout they're fairly clearly grouped and laid out differently than the search results when there's more than one.
Maybe they're targeting older individuals, but at least
Bing fanboy or Google chip on shoulder? (Score:2)
I have never cared for flat monitors, are they really so bad you can't tell the difference between those? Looks ok to me but could use a border for clarity...assuming clarity is desired ;)
You probably can't see a diference in Bing at all then. Ad section is a slightly greenish background. Way too subtle IMHO.
Bing does have a light border at the right edge. If one tried to print the results page however that light border on one side wins over Google's VERY light border.
Both seem pretty borderline..... also t
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Wow, another f.lux user. Cheers.
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Also, where is this alleged 508 contrast predicate?
Re:Sounds like BS to me - quite the opposite (Score:4, Insightful)
I actually think that, when it comes to regulating Internet or media companies, nothing could be more important than this.
This is the ultimate line in the sand for an advertising company (or a consumer of ads). I'm generally a defender of Google, but if they were to cross this line then - for the first time - I would think they have truly become the evil that they disavowed in their inception.
And this is about the Internet in general. We need to know whether content is paid or not if we are to preserve a space for the the unpaid. Otherwise, the paid opinion will always win out since it has the money to promote itself.
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I am trying to understand how this is different from the FTC's rule that you don't print advertisements in magazines that look like regular editorial content.
Other than "...on a computer!" of course.
Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:4, Insightful)
Google never indicated, to me at least, what was in the search results. I don't see how it could be deceptive.
And even if it was, does that matter, since I don't pay Google one red cent for the service?
Perhaps this will make Google results more useful. I'm rather fed up with doing a search and getting all this garbage up front which has nothing to do with the search, but tries to lure me to some business or review site. Ever notice how Urban Spoon and Yelp show up first, even when the site you are looking for has their own website?
Long-time users of Google may agree here, the results are becoming less useful as time goes by, obviously because paid or revenue producing pages are promoted over utility.
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What it leads to, is people searching for one thing, Google throwing in ads for something only-somewhat relevant, and the user clicking on the ad thinking it's an actual search resu
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Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:5, Insightful)
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What I don't like, is the implication that overbearing government protectionism via the Nanny State is the only solution to protect the idiots of the world from being idiots. What you don't realize is ... to quote Ron White ... "You can't fix stupid"
There is no reason for the FTC to do this, unless there is some specific company (companies) that are doing this. In which case, they should name and shame them and actually do their job. Firing a warning letter to every search engine is like paddling a canoe an
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Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:5, Insightful)
So there is no space between "no regulation" and "nanny state"? That's what you imply here, and that is how just about every regulation "debate" turns out these days.
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When you question one side, and not give a solution, yes. I'd rather side on the "no solution" side rather than "unlimited undefined government intrusion" side of things. This is how we get NSA and IRS scandals.
The scariest thing in the world to me are people who say "There ought to be a law", because invariably, it turns into "We have to do something, this is something, therefore we have to do it" legislation.
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Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:4, Insightful)
A government is free to set whatever rules it wants for doing business within their jurisdiction, you have as a business you can either choose to comply or choose not to do business there, noone is twisting your arm or forcing you to do anything.
There needs to be a separation because showing paid for results as matched search results is deceptive.
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BULLSHIT! There are *no* protections for Corporations under the constitution. You should look it up. And while you're at it, look up the history of Corporate Personhood up too because you obviously don't understand it.
Corporations aren't mentioned in the constitution. Early U.S. corporations were extremely limited in power and weren't even allowed to own property that didn't immediately relate to their business. They weren't allowed to own other businesses or stock.
So what you are saying is complete bu
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Then they are NOT constitutional rights.
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Corporations are made of people, and owned by people. People have lots of rights, including the right of free association.
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That isn't what corporate personhood means. Good try.
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Deception is an act to propagate beliefs/things that are not true or not the whole truth.
Displaying paid for advertisements in a way where it is not readily apparent that they are ads and not regular search results is deceptive, it's comparable to a lie by omission. Yes, the government is free to set whatever rules it likes, including limitations on what rules and regulations it can make at a later date, but the regulation that it cannot take certain actions is
Re:Sounds like BS to me (Score:5, Insightful)
Why is thre a need to do this.. What does it matter?
Deception. The FTC is saying you can't make a paid-for ad look like a legitimate search result, because it's deceptive and unfair to both the consumer and other legitimate businesses who don't have the resources to pay Google boo-koo bucks for prime ad space. Not saying it's right or wrong, just pointing out the rationale.
As part of captialism if people get tired of getting the advertisements they will go to another search engine.
Ah, no, actually, that's a function of the free market, not capitalism in general, and as it should be abundantly clear at this point, there is not and never has been such a thing as a free market (that's not necessarily bad, BTW).
There is no reason for this.
Sure there is! It might not be a good one, or one you agree with, but there is a reason. There's always a reason.
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Selling all of our information to the NSA?
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I still disagree that it is deception, since they are not actually being deceptive.
It's very deceptive to elderly people who don't see contrast well. The only reason not to make ads stand out much is to be deceptive. Whether that merits regulation or not is another question.
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Before you even try to answer if there is a free market or not, you need to figure out what the words free market actually means. Do you have a free market if a single established player in the market or a small group of players can force newcomers off the market? I'd say no. But then you need regulations to protect the free market. There are people who say it is not a free market if there is any sort o
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Before you even try to answer if there is a free market or not, you need to figure out what the words free market actually means.
Funny you should mention that; apparently someone has gone and invented a book that, get this, you can use to look up the definitions of a word! But wait, it gets better: Some other smart fellers have somehow put the contents of this word book on the internets, and made it searchable! Can you believe it?
OK, biting sarcasm aside, here's the definition I found per Dictionary.com:
Free Market = an economic system in which prices and wages are determined by unrestricted competition between businesses, without government regulation or fear of monopolies.
Probably best to stick with the accepted definition of the term, and not muddy the waters with ideologically biased redefining.
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long as nobody mistakes the ads for search results
And there is the problem. You can't protect everyone from being stupid. And stupid happens a lot.
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Not if they don't know those are advertisements.
Capitalism only really works well with perfect or near perfect information. This is simply a method of adding information to the system. If you oppose that you oppose capitalism being functional.
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Because bullshit paid ad's for software are links to scumware installers. Search google for the free software "greenshot" the first two links are to installers and packagers that will fill your computer with all kinds of spyware and crap. a lot of other things are exactly like this.
non tech savvy users are having problems telling the difference between the scum and the real thing.
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Erp: google changed this already. You dont have the Adverts at the top of the search list anymore.... Good show google!
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Non-tech-savvy users (and tech-savvy ones too, most of the time) should be looking for software in their repository, not on the web. When you pick Foo in Synaptic, you know you're getting the real Foo and it won't come with extra "scumware."
I realize not everyone can always use the repository; the guys who make the repo don't. Or sometimes you need something bleeding-edge. But those are relatively advanced
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As part of representative democracy, if people get tired of ads (or in general if they want a general level of regulatory regime), they'll tell that to their representatives via letters or votes or even just opinion polls, and it'll be regulated.
Maybe you don't like to use the "democracy machinery" when there's perfectly good "capitalism machinery" to do the same thing? That's a fair enough view. If you don't like the way that society is currently organized, I suggest you try to change it. You could try to
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I agree.. (Score:3)
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Cause if I'm searching for widgets (Score:2)
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You're still a complete idiot. Everyone knows that thingamabobs have more soluble fiber than both of them, and no late fees or phoning home. You'll never see them pass AdWords muster, though.
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Like maybe Google Shopping? (Score:2)
Re:Like maybe Google Shopping? (Score:5, Informative)
Right. Google Shopping was originally a price comparison service. There was no charge for being listed. Then it was changed to an paid ad service. All the links on it changed to Google ad links. Our Ad Limiter [adlimiter.com] browser add-on, which hides all but one Google ad per search result, then started limiting the number of shopping results displayed. We finally allowed more ads to show through on explicit Google shopping pages.
Now, Google Shopping results have changed again, so that they look like real search results. They even have additional Google ads, with the light tan background. But in reality, every result on a Google Shopping page is a paid ad.
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Which is why I block ALL ad's on every computer I touch. I have installed adblock plus on every single computer I have to service or use. Until advertisers get scruples, I'm blocking it for everyone I can. To this date it is about 450 people and counting that no longer see ad's online because of me, I hope to hit 1000.
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If you are doing this without the knowledge and consent of the user you are almost as bad as what you are fighting.
not just search engines (Score:3, Interesting)
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And can we please, please, please get a similar demand for Facebook?
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Indeed... Isn't the right-most column of your Facebook news feed page enough real estate for ads without having to sprinkle them in with the updates that you want to read? I don't recall noticing ads within my timeline. At least not yet. It'll be time to begin raising Holy Hell when that happens.
BGColor not Enough? (Score:5, Funny)
You mean setting the advertisement background color to #fefefe instead of #ffffff isn't good enough for the Feds?
Sounds reasonable (Score:3)
That requirement sounds reasonable. Google used to work that way: you had highlighted boxes at the top and on the right that contained the paid placements, and the unhighlighted regular search results in the body of the page. There's no technical reason it can't be done that way now. Lots of business reasons maybe, but no technical ones which is all the FTC should be caring about.
That doesn't mean the FTC should be unreasonably interfering in a search engines' business. But saying the search engine has to clearly indicate which results it's being paid to show people is hardly unreasonable.
Good (Score:2)
Though it's been quite stellar for years, ever since the DoubleClick acquisition, Google's DNA has become more spammy [1]. Not that Bing is any saint [2], and Microsoft has it's sordid history with not showing "linux" search results (before Bing days).
This kind of intervention from big bad government might do something to keep the search engines from devolving into glorified billboards.
[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/google-is-blurring-the-lines-between-ads-and-search-results-2012-4 [businessinsider.com]
[2] http://googleblog [blogspot.com]
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This kind of intervention from big bad government might do something to keep the search engines from devolving into glorified billboards.
Why should the government be in a position to prevent this? Companies should be allowed to devolve all they want.
The FCC can do what now? (Score:2)
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Eff TEE Cee
Might want to get your eyes checked. Just sayin'.
Another Thing About Search (Score:2)
Your tax dollars at work (Score:2)
Don't you feel great about the fact that YOU are busting your ass so that the federal government can over-pay a bunch of useless bureaucrats to conduct studies and domineer over search services?
Tell you what feds, quit stealing from me and I'll figure out how to avoid the horrible perils of advertisements in my search results on my own.
Meanwhile... (Score:2)
Physicians for decades now have been allowed to take money from drug manufacturers and prescribe those drugs to patients without informing those patients that a cheaper or a generic drug is just as effective. No federal agency (FTC, FDA, FBI) or professional organization (ie AMA) has stepped in to even investigate this common practice.
Advertising in the doctor's office office has been soaring, with posters on the wall and flyers handed to patients hawking everything from prescription drugs and vitamins to
Google's BS (Score:2)
Re:It's obvious that the FTC has no clue (Score:5, Insightful)
By showing ads. That does not mean they are allowed to lie about results.
The last thing I want is advertising I cannot distinguish from real results.
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By showing ads. That does not mean they are allowed to lie about results.
The last thing I want is advertising I cannot distinguish from real results.
Even if you don't like it, why shouldn't they be allowed to lie? Should we begin banning lying on the internet?
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Because that is called fraud.
Lying in casual conversation and lying in this sort of service are quite different. What you are suggesting means I should be able to sell miracle water that cures cancer, when in fact it does not. If you can't see why that is wrong, I am afraid you are a lost cause.
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How is it fraud? When I enter a search term into google, I am paying no money. Google hasn't promised me anything at all. I could search for the word dog, and see 10 results on the home page for the same dog website, and I still wouldn't have been defrauded in any way.
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Because you expect a search back, not advertising.
Paying or not has nothing to do with it. The same way I cannot give you free stuff and make medical claims. Because that too would be fraud.
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I see what you're saying, but what promises or claims has the search engine made to you? On what basis do you form the "expectation" that the displayed results are not advertising?
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The fact that it is called a search engine and not an advertising engine?
If you really can't grasp this I am not sure I can help you.
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putting advertisement in as editorial content in print content is also considered unethical if not outright illegal.
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corporatists want corporate anarchy. Any regulation is too much.
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You negotiate for Y BELOW invoice these days. This is because of holdback and other BS.
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1. Corporations are not people.
2. I think at least the most transparent amount of fraud will be reduced by this.
The invoice thing is totally different.
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seceed, not succeed.
And no, no we can't; gotta find another way... perhaps a method of sending a 'vote of no confidence' to those in charge?
Personally, I think we should all stop paying federal taxes.
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He wants corporate anarchy.
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Section 8, 3rd item.
You're welcome.
While the Interstate Commerce Clause may be stretched to meaninglessness in many cases, this is not one of those times.