Russian Search Engine Yandex Beats Bing 88
judgecorp writes "The Russian search engine Yandex has beaten Microsoft in the search engine rankings, taking fourth place behind Google, China's Baidu and Yahoo, according to ComScore. The result won't be encouraging for Microsoft, which will also be disappointed to see Bing behind its partner Yahoo."
Oops (Score:5, Informative)
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"Yet Another Needless Discovery EXercise"?
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Going by what most people use the internet: Yeah ! spANDEX !
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They're not hippies - they're libertarian cracked pots
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It gets harder to tell them apart every year.
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No surprise -- some of my best libertarian friends are also still unconformed hippies.
Another distinction (Score:2)
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Re:Oops (Score:0)
Ya is the word for I in Russian, so it becomes I Ndex.
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Yet Another NonGoogle Directory Expendable
Re:Oops-near miss (Score:4, Interesting)
A pun indeed.
CC.
Re:Oops (Score:1)
no, Bing = Bing Is Not Good
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R means I in Russian. The closest analogy would be RINDEX or iINDEX. So they took off one i and ended up with RNDEX which is spelled YANDEX in translit (YA is to get R typed).
Re:Oops (Score:2)
BING, Ballmer Is New God, now if you don't think Uncle Fester doesn't have the ego to force renaming of MSN Search (logical branding extension now crippled by branding fragmentation) to feed his own personal ego, then you have missed all of his crazy assed monkey dances http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0iqfOKLqVc [youtube.com] (beer is for drinkin not for thinking and Uncle Fester whiskey is even worse).
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Yeah, I remember Alta Vista being the stuff back when you could throw 14,400 modems at dinosaurs to distract them and make a clean getaway.
Re:Oops (Score:1)
That is a lot of modems to use as a distraction.
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A baudy lot they are too.
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They do have one thing going for them that Open Source and free markets do not, money to pay -- buy off? (See Dell) -- people to use their products. Slide yes, but they will go down much more slowly than most of us on here will care to admit or like.
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Decentralized Web Services (Score:0)
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I admit, without tone I cannot tell if this is sarcasm, astroturfing, or genuine belief.
Someone has to do it (Score:0)
In Soviet Russia, engine searches you!
mail.yandex.com - free! (Score:0)
don't forget to sign up for a free e-mail account with them.
Re:mail.yandex.com - free! (Score:2)
What search-engine rankings? (Score:0, Troll)
They ended up higher on Google's search results?
Well surprise! News at 11, search engine demotes major competitor in its results lists.
Re:What search-engine rankings? (Score:0)
They are only measuring popularity, not how good the search engine is.
The real test is how well an engine finds your specific type of porn.
Re:What search-engine rankings? (Score:4, Insightful)
Not a worry for MS (Score:2)
Re: Not a worry for MS (Score:0)
What's an ad?
Re: Not a worry for MS (Score:0)
What's an ad?
AD in russian is Hell
Even more hilarious (Score:0)
Even more hilarious that Microsoft even PAID for people to use their search engine for a while, still not used.
HELP IS ON THE WAY DEAR! HELP IS ON THE WAY! (Score:-1)
Microsoft Kinect Spy System
THIS ARTICLE IS BEING SCRUBBED FROM THE NET. THE SITE IT WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED TO YANKED THE PLUG ON THEIR WHOLE SITE!!! COPY/PASTE THIS ARTICLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO DISCUSSION FORUMS, BLOGS, FACEBOOK, TWITTER, AND ARCHIVE AND MIRROR THIS DOCUMENT SO IT DOES NOT VANISH FOREVER!
"So you just got the Kinect/Xbox360 gaming system and you're having fun, hanging out in your underwear, plopped down in your favorite lounge chair, and playing games with your buddies. Yeah, it's great to have a microphone and camera in your game system so you can "Kinect" to your pals while you play, but did you read that Terms of Service Agreement that came with your Kinect thingy? No? Here, let me point out an important part of that service agreement.
If you accept the agreement, you "expressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications, in order to: (a) comply with the law or respond to lawful requests or legal process; (b) protect the rights or property of Microsoft, our partners, or our customers, including the enforcement of our agreements or policies governing your use of the Service; or (c) act on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public."
Did you catch that? Here, let me print the important part in really big letters.
"If you accept the agreement, you expressly authorize and consent to us accessing or disclosing information about you, including the content of your communications⦠on a good faith belief that such access or disclosure is necessary to protect the personal safety of Microsoft employees, customers, or the public."
OK, is that clear enough for ya? When you use the Kinect system, you agree to allow Microsoft (and any branch of law enforcement or government they care to share information with) to use your Kinect system to spy on you. Maybe run that facial recognition software to check you out, listen to your conversations, and keep track of who you are communicating with.
I know this is probably old news to some, but I thought I would mention it because it pertains to almost all of these home game systems that are interactive. You have to remember, the camera and microphone contained in your game system have the ability to be hacked by anyone the game company gives that ability to, and that includes government snoops and law enforcement agents.
Hey, it's MICROSOFT. What did you expect?
And the same concerns apply to all interactive game systems. Just something to think about if you're having a "Naked Wii party" or doing something illegal while you're gaming with your buddies. Or maybe you say something suspicious and it triggers the DHS software to start tracking your every word. Hey, this is not paranoia. It's spelled out for you, right there in that Service Agreement. Read it! Here's one more part of the agreement you should be aware of.
"You should not expect any level of privacy concerning your use of the live communication features (for example, voice chat, video and communications in live-hosted gameplay sessions) offered through the Service."
Did you catch it that time? YOU SHOULD NOT EXPECT ANY LEVEL OF PRIVACY concerning your voice chat and video features on your Kinect box."
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"Listen up, you ignorant sheep. Your government is spending more money than ever to spy on its own citizens. That's YOU, my friend. And if you're one of these people who say, "Well I ain't ever done nothing wrong so why should I worry about it?' - you are dead wrong. Our civil liberties are being taken away faster than you can spit. The NSA is working away on its new "First Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cyber-security Initiative Data Center' to keep track of every last one of us. This thing will be the size of 17 football stadiums. One million square feet, all to be fille
Wha? (Score:0)
Seen this before... how is someone able to get such a long post to avoid being hidden by "read the rest of this comment"?
Re:NO HELP IS ON THE WAY, NONE! (Score:2)
Yawn, ignoring the obvious, it's this part that is of real concern and what your missing:
"The rootkit scanners for Linux are few and poor. If you're lucky, you'll know how to use
chkrootkit (but you can use strings and other tools for analysis) and show the strings of
binaries on your installation, but the results are dependent on your capability of deciphering
the output and performing further analysis with various tools or in an environment such as Remnux Linux.
None of these free scanners scan the earlier mentioned areas of your PC, either!
Nor do they detect many of the hundreds of trojans and rootkits easily available on popular
websites and the dark/deep web."
The loss of this site: http://vx.netlux.org/ [netlux.org] was a loss to everybody.
A place one could download the latest malware to see what it would do, now we have
malware businesses who might now mention a malware's name but little else.
Very very few people can find much of malware in use now.
Rootkits? I'm sure many are running them now; unless one can have access to sites
like http://vx.netlux.org/ [netlux.org] to have even a little chance of finding out or even knowing.
(my pet peevee)
Here, ever play Angry BIrds? read their Privacy policy
http://www.rovio.com/Privacy [rovio.com]
and think of how long you've been playing it.
Cue 'em up (Score:4, Funny)
The "BazINGa" and "badaBING" jokes that is.
In Soviet Russia, the Yandex Bings you?
Re:Cue 'em up (Score:2)
I'll bite.
In Soviet Russia, Searches are Performed by You!
As it seems, Amazing Spiderman (Score:1)
...didn't help Bing that much
Re:As it seems, Amazing Spiderman (Score:0)
Maybe they should ramp up the blatant obviousness of Microsoft product placement in Hawaii 5-0?
It's actually pretty good here too. (Score:3, Interesting)
I use the Turkish version of Yandex (yandex.com.tr).
It is awesome when it comes to local stuff or very specific topics. Like when online shopping, you just search for the model number of the tv you want to buy and it finds where it's cheapest. You search for a movie, allow it to use your locaiton and "BAM" you get the nearest showtime at the closest place with ticket prices.
Re:It's actually pretty good here too. (Score:3)
My tests show the same thing.
I actually think it is simply scraping Google, because there is no sign of yandex in my web server logs, but newly added pages can be found via searchs on yandex, and the only crawler that appears in the log was Google.
Re:It's actually pretty good here too. (Score:2)
Yandex has their own browser, which is basically a rebranded version of Chrome - so, instead of sending your history to Google, it sends it to Yandex. I don't know what its UA string is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it presented itself simply as Chrome, for the sake of compatibility with all the browser detection scripts out there.
Re:It's actually pretty good here too. (Score:3)
And that's fine, Yandex specializes in Russian and other xUSSR languages searches - it works significantly better than Google for them. It also knows about public transportation routes, movie theater schedules, etc. There are also Yandex Maps with much better routing info for Russia and Ukraine (and no info at all for the rest of the world) - and they can even be used _offline_ on Androids/iPhones.http://search.slashdot.org/story/13/02/09/0749257/russian-search-engine-yandex-beats-bing#
In short, Yandex is a great example of a local company that knows its market and makes products tailored specifically for it. And it can beat global companies that merely do a localized version of their global offering.
Re:It's actually pretty good here too. (Score:2)
Yandex shows up in my logs as "Yandex bot".
This is pretty silly. (Score:5, Interesting)
This isn't a ranking of performance, it's a ranking of 'number of searches', which (for whatever it's actually worth, which is probably ad revenue only) can easily be gamed.
"Microsoft still attracted 268.6 million unique searchers in December, and Yandex just 74.4 million, which suggests that Yandex aficionados tend to use their search engine more intensively." ...which both points to MS's success in jamming it down people's throats as the 'first search' in any MS device (for chrissakes in Win7 google isn't even OFFERED as one of the search options - you have to download an extension to IE to set google as the default search, lol), AND likewise suggests that the Yandex results are in fact being gamed somehow.
The Chinese results are simple, it's in CHINESE, which has billions of native users.
Google dominates the english speaking world, and I guess Yandex gets the Russians.
Re:This is pretty silly. (Score:1)
This isn't a ranking of performance, it's a ranking of 'number of searches', which (for whatever it's actually worth, which is probably ad revenue only) can easily be gamed.
"Microsoft still attracted 268.6 million unique searchers in December, and Yandex just 74.4 million, which suggests that Yandex aficionados tend to use their search engine more intensively." ...which both points to MS's success in jamming it down people's throats as the 'first search' in any MS device (for chrissakes in Win7 google isn't even OFFERED as one of the search options - you have to download an extension to IE to set google as the default search, lol), AND likewise suggests that the Yandex results are in fact being gamed somehow.
The Chinese results are simple, it's in CHINESE, which has billions of native users.
Google dominates the english speaking world, and I guess Yandex gets the Russians.
I wonder how much the various search APIs and policies influence that. A lot of the major "SEO" companies with their "own" search engines really just use Bing. (shock horror SEOMoz tell porkies).
Google caps automated search at 100 per day, you can buy more, but not for all the index. Bing has no such restrictions. Yahoo has limited restrictions. I don't know about Yandex or Baidu (but Baidu certainly scan my servers agressively).
Re:This is pretty silly. (Score:2)
I hate that "feature" at work where we get bing as a default. I have to load the Google search page every time I want to do a search. The reason bing is fourth is because it sucks. Even the non geeks at work don't use bing.
Re:This is pretty silly. (Score:0)
So since Google is winning they're gaming the system? They're playing the man in the middle with referer strings [wikipedia.org]? I suppose they could do that with Chrome such that when you visit Bing in chrome it could change the string to Google when you click a link in search results. I really doubt they could do it secretly... that shit is really easy to sniff out. And that does nothing for the other two thirds of the market (Google can't modify IE source last I checked and Firefox has way to many "activists" for privacy to let their source be corrupted that way).
Explain the gaming technique. Details please.
Re:This is pretty silly. (Score:1)
I use Bing (Score:-1)
I've been using Bing for a long time and I'm satisfied with its performance. Anti-American Google can go to hell.
Re:I use Bing (Score:1)
I've been using Bing for a long time and I'm satisfied with its performance. Anti-American Google can go to hell.
buuuuttttttttt, you also like being anally fist fucked
"bing" is such a fucking stupid name (Score:0)
i know they picked it because it's easy to say in chinese as opposed to "gao gao le" or whatever but as nice as it might sound in mandarin it sounds dumb as shit in english...
At least Bing properly obeys robots.txt (Score:1)
“Yandex. We’ll find everything”
Not a surprising quote considering their obnoxious web crawler behavior.
Yandex / Bing is just a waste of bandwidth (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Yandex / Bing is just a waste of bandwidth (Score:0)
Surely you must be a russian/ex-USSR based web hoster? I mean, even your nickname shows that!
Seriously, Yandex's great - better than Google, IMO - for local searches, with stuff like looking up people in Russian social nets and places on local maps. Google sucks at those, but is better on global searches, that's why I use Yandex when searching in Russian and Google when searching for everything else.
I guess you'd see something like that with Baidu too - OMG nobody comes anywhere from there!!! Except for all the chinese websites.
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Re:Yandex / Bing is just a waste of bandwidth (Score:1)
Good for Yandex that they are "taking forth place", but the truth is that they might as well not exist. Anyone who have a website with 10k+ daily visitors will confirm that absoltely nobody is visiting with a referer string from Yandex or Bing. Nobody. They might as well not exist. Another side to this is that Yandex and Bing and other worthless things like 360spider and JikeSpider and Sogou all waste a whole lot of bandwidth, way more bandwidth than users account for on smaller sites. All this bandwidth and CPU wasted on spiders and absolutely no results to show for it (except spam-bots from China and Russia). It's tempting just to put -j DROP on Yandex and Bing and the trest of them. I don't do it, but I am very tempted.
People don't tend to visit sites from Yandex because they don't have to... Yandex provides the information from the site in-line. People who search on Yandex spend less time clicking through web pages, because the infomation they want shows up immediately (at least for answers to common questions like "where can I buy the cheapest X").
Of course, this means that site owners may want to drop yandex bots for other reasons....
Re:Yandex / Bing is just a waste of bandwidth (Score:2)
Yandex provides much better results for people searching in Russian, or for results specific to Russia.
(or rather, it's pretty much the case for the entire ex-USSR, and possibly some Eastern European countries)
Just because it's irrelevant for you personally doesn't mean that it's "useless". Russia alone has 40 million Internet users - more than any other European country. To many of those people, Google is far more useless.
Re:Yandex / Bing is just a waste of bandwidth (Score:0)
Yandex though is not beholding to the USA government's fairly lax laws on privacy.
Google bit the dust today as I switched over, even email and 10GB of cloud space. But most of all without Uncle Sam getting his rocks off by looking at my porn searches.
Porn (Score:-1)
I hope bing doesn't die. It's the only major search engine good at finding tons and tons of porn. It's actually so good at finding porn by the performers names I don't have a usual porn site anymore.
Re:Porn (Score:0)
www.ashemaletube.com
A good source of desktop wallpapers (Score:1)
complementary engine (Score:3)
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Who do you trust? (Score:0)
Do you trust google? MS? Anything from Russia?
It all seems like a bunch of wolves greeting your search needs with open arms.
Doesn't anyone realize how dangerous it is to give any of these amoral entities the ability to create a detailed profiles on us?
Now I know the pain of Cassandra.
Science! (Score:1)
Umm... But Yahoo uses bing for the back-end (Score:1)
Re:Umm... But Yahoo uses bing for the back-end (Score:2)
So, doesn't that give Bing 7.4% or something along those lines, since Yahoo just front-ends the bing search engine? (Or did I miss something in the past couple of years of drinking the cool-aid)
It means that the user front-end adds significant value for the users who use Yahoo.
Re:Umm... But Yahoo uses bing for the back-end (Score:2)
Examples of popular things on Yahoo's front page:
Yahoo finance
Weather
Popular news stories
OMG! <-- I know, you hate it, I hate it, but it's still popular.
Flikr
Yahoo mail (a lot of people have accounts)
That's surprising (Score:3)
Not that Yandex beats Bing. Obviously the main Russian-oriented search engine is going to be a major player, there being 155 million native Russian speakers.
What's surprising to me is that Bing is SO far behind Yahoo given that Windows computers come configured to use Bing until you change the default search engine in Internet Explorer. They have half the rate of usage of Yahoo, despite copying much of Google's bare style. To me, Yahoo's search pages are inordinately cluttered with ads and junk compared to Google's or Bing's. But I guess if you like the bare style you use Google and if you like the clutter you use Yahoo. Bing needs to find a third option if they're going to be competitive with either of the main English-language oriented search engines.
Yandex is pretty cool, actually. (Score:3, Interesting)
Although I seldom use their search engine [yandex.ru] directly since they focus more on searches in Russian, I can confirm that it works very well. They also have, among other things, better maintained and more detailed maps [google.com] of ex-soviet countres with better traffic jam and accident tracking [yandex.ru], an EXTREMELY convenient product search [yandex.ru] that lets you specify an insane amount of properties and features to pick the most fitting item that exists on the market and then find a good rated and cheap place to buy it, a great multilingual online dictionary [yandex.ru] and a convenient online storage service [yandex.com] which has existed far longer than Google Drive. Their web pages have a simple, consistent and concise design, their ads are few and non-intrusive, and, on top of all this, the company has an almost cult standing among many tech students for its high wages and free CS and data mining school [yandex.ru] where they teach interested people in-depth data mining, artificial intelligence, algorithms and many other related and not-so-much things.
Why do I mention all this? First, to confirm that they are popular for a very good reason and, second, because most of their services use Internet data mining techniques to gather results, so if you live in CIS [slashdot.org], chances are you are hooked anyway and you generate many internet searches indirectly even if you don't use their search feature. Unless Google pays as much attention to foreign countries as it does to the U.S. and keeps expanding its services, it should not be surprising to see sound local competition in some countries.
Do You Know What The Meaning Of The Word 'Bing' Is (Score:4, Informative)
In Britain a 'Bing' is a spoil heap, it's a pile of dirt taken from mining and discarded.
i.e. it's all the worthless crap left behind after you've taken the good stuff out.
Re:Do You Know What The Meaning Of The Word 'Bing' (Score:0)
Yes, but Microsoft is trying to force it into usage as a verb, to mimic Google.
As a verb of course it is a new word, and means "to spoil; to deposit a worthless pile of steaming turd; to smear another's faeces on your skin in an attempt to mimic their scent."
Eg. "I wanted search results that look suspiciously like Google's, so I Bung it."
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Bing is piece of crap (Score:0)
Bing is piece of crap forced on uses by add-ons and crapware in every application in windows 8.
Microsoft is dead.
Bing users - the tax system attracts tax payers... (Score:0)
"Microsoft still attracted 268.6 million unique searchers in December"
It's like saying the tax system attracts tax payers...
Microsoft forces Bing on users by adding this crap to every application in windows 8 and their shitty phones. They even make too-easy-to-click "looking glass" button so that users go to Bing by accident.
This is pathetic.
Scroogled (Score:1)
Re:Scroogled (Score:1)
Even trusty 'find' beat Bing (Score:0)
UNIX
Snicker snicker ;)
This is a family-friendly website... (Score:2)
Keep your posts about Bing-beating to yourself, you perv.
How is this news? (Score:0)
The Russian search engine Yandex has beaten Microsoft in the search engine rankings, taking fourth place behind Google, China's Baidu and Yahoo, according to ComScore.
How is this news? mickeysoft tried to 'have something with our name on it in that space', and screwed the pooch with an also-ran uninspired offering, once again. They actually managed to kill Netscape with Internet Exploder, but then sat and did nothing with Exploder till Firefox started eating their lunch. All of a sudden they had to reassemble the Exploder team (disbanded and unneeded for more than 7 years) when they wanted to make a new version of Internet Exploder that didn't have nearly so many bugs. They are being beaten because they just don't care.
RE: Yandex beats Bing (Score:1)
Of course, Bing powers Yahoo Search, so it's sort of meaningless to say that Yahoo "beats" Bing.
And obviously this is worldwide search share, where Bing is noticeably weak (which is definitely a bad thing). In the US, I'm sure Bing is beating Yandex handily.
No DMCA Notices (Score:1)