Apple Tells Siri To Stop Recommending Nokia 337
judgecorp writes "Apple has changed the answer Siri gives to the question 'What is the best smartphone ever?' to prevent the voice-driven assistant from promoting the Nokia Lumia 900. Originally Siri trawled online reviews on the web, using the Wolfram Alpha search engine, to come up with the Lumia, much to Apple's embarrassment. Now, Apple has intervened, replacing that answer with a joke: 'Wait there are other phones?'"
Not just Apple (Score:4, Insightful)
Do a search [google.com] on Google for "What is the best web browser" and guess what, you'll get a nice list of reviews, every single one of which lists Google Chrome as the best web browser. Oddly enough, if you do the same search in Bing, you get a few [consumersearch.com] results [hubpages.com] that don't seem to show up near the top of the Google search.
Basically, never look for objective information from someone who has their own horse in the race. I would no more trust Apple with advice on computer or smartphone purchasing advice than I would trust Norton with advice on the best anti-virus software.
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
Interesting. Second result for me is Opera, and I'm a Chrome user.
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I just get a bunch of paid advertisements (both bing and google), followed by general reviews.
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Google isn't consistent. Their servers don't perfectly sync and are always crawling. They talked about it in an interview here years ago I think.
Many large sites with non-critical data work this way (and the nitty gritty exact search order for any given second/minute/hour/day is non-critical).
Facebook does something similar with post visibility (it's not necessarily instant everywhere), and I've had friends call in panic when a mutual friend's memorialized account dropped off the internet for up to a day as
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
Just did the same, Mozilla is the second spot. Spot #5 says "You really can't go wrong with any Web browser choice these days. Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera, and Safari, all are fast, standards ..."
The thing is, if Google gives you bogus results they're going to lose your eyeballs; that's one of many things that makes Google superior to Bing. Bad search results hurt their bottom line, while Siri's answers aren't going to stop anybody from buying another iPhone.
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
Not yet anyway. If someone else comes out with a better equivalent to Siri, or Siri starts producing terrible results that aren't for gimmicky questions people will drop it like a rock.
Imagine if you could inject ads directly into Siri for example, queries would give preferential results based on the location you queried from and common terms were bid for (say optometrist, and the highest bidding optometrist within 10Km would get their result) that could, in the long run, seriously undermine the credibility of a project like Siri. Right now it's experimental, it can fail humourously and no one gets to fussed about it. But if there are competitors on the market, that could be a problem.
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I can. It's called riding a motorcycle.
but a friend of mine gave me the best case.
She said that Siri and the Android versions are a complete failure... She is blind, and any information returned that needs you to use your screen is proof of the complete failure on the part of the system.
I recently though of a good use for siri and it failed. "press headset, siri, post to facebook herp derp"
the response... I cant do that.
Fail.
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Informative)
Not yet anyway. If someone else comes out with a better equivalent to Siri, or Siri starts producing terrible results that aren't for gimmicky questions people will drop it like a rock.
Nope, because Apple would simply disallow any app from their market from competing with Siri (just like alternate web browsers, alternate stores, etc). iPhone users can't run what they want without talented hackers.
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Which is why it does not seem like that big of a deal to me.
If you are already bought into Apple, you must be happy with your shiny little cage (excuse me.. garden) and are plenty happy with Apple telling you what is good and what is not, and what you are allowed to do.
I'm not really trying to troll here (sincerely), but every Apple user I find is so deep into wanton consumerism and group-think that trying to explain to them why it might be bad to implicitly trust Siri in all things seems kind of like a los
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
I hate siri 1.0 because it removed the standard apple voice control that was in the 3GS and 4.0 that works when you dont have a internet connection. siri does not work when you have no net connection. so voice dialing or voice control of the music fails when out of service range.
another epic failure of cloud crap.
Dialing out of service range? (Score:4, Insightful)
I hate siri 1.0...so voice dialing or voice control of the music fails when out of service range.
How often do you find yourself needing to dial a number when you have no service? I can't see voice dialing helping much in this situation :-)
Of course, you can get the normal voice control back by turning off Siri in your iPhone's settings, but I admit that toggling this when you're in and out of service should probably be automatic.
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As I understand (and my personal experience bears this out), at least on non-4G connections, voice and data connections are separate, though they usually have a rough correlation. Its possibly to have a reliable voice connection in a location and no or unreliable data, and possibly vice versa (I've experienced the former, and at least seen the connection icons on my phone indicate the latter.)
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Informative)
That is false. You can turn off Siri in the settings and go back to the old voice control from ios 4.x
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No you didn't, because Apple forbids web browsers on the iPhone/iPad that don't use UIWebView. You would have found a browser that preprocesses the page on a server before sending it to the client which uses UIWebView to render it.
Re:Not just Apple (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
(shrug). Google and Bing always come-up with different results.
What concerns me more is that Apple deliberately made Siri less-useful to the owner. What happens if you ask, "What is the best computer?" Or "What is the best MP3 player?" Or "What is the best tablet for reading books?" Now I have to wonder if Apple will censor those answers too. I buy a computer, or laptop, or phone, to help ME out with attaining knowledge not to serve the corporate master who built the computer/laptop/phone.
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I buy a computer, or laptop, or phone, to help ME out with attaining knowledge not to serve the corporate master who built the computer/laptop/phone.
"You're doing it wrong, sinner. Send us a load of money as your penance." - Apple.
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
What concerns me more is that Apple deliberately made Siri less-useful to the owner.
This is one of the situations where Apple really ought to be taking a page from Google. The problem in this case is that Siri is returning a nonsense answer as a result of Microsoft's astroturfing and marketing attempts to try to make Nokia not feel as lonely at the bottom of the market share charts.
The "right" way to fix that is to make your search algorithm less susceptible to slashvertizements and spam reviews. The stupid way is to change the single result someone pointed out to you and let the device continue telling people that snake oil cures cancer and plants crave Brawndo.
Re:Not just Apple (Score:4, Insightful)
So it's not possible that there are reviewers that actually like the phone? It's just Microsoft astroturfing? Yeah, right. God you people are so narcissistic.
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
laptop, or phone, to help ME out with attaining knowledge not to serve the corporate master who built the computer/laptop/phone.
Then you shouldn't be buying Apple. It's well known their platform is all about lockdown and tying you into their ecosystem.
If you want an open platform, buy an open platform. Apple is not that. Hasn't been for decades.
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
People seem obsessed with the idea that all products within a market should meet THEIR needs, and get rather pissy when something is both popular and not geared towards them. If Apple meets ones needs, by Apple. If Android does a better job, buy Android, rinse lather repeat.
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If you were looking for the "best" computer or the "best" MP3 player would you *really* go to Google/Siri/Bing/${random_ILS} and type a question like "What is the best ${device_or_service}?"
I didn't think so.
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I do not get any browser in the top 10 with the same search string, only reviews and comparisons of different web browsers.
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On the other hand, if you search "what is the best web browser" (without the quotes!) like the person you're replying to did, you get slightly different results. I see, in order a comparison from some site I've never heard of with Google Chrome as #1 [toptenreviews.com], a LifeHacker page (Chrome again) [lifehacker.com], a random Yahoo! Answers link [yahoo.com] ("Google Chrome is, for Windows users, the fastest web browser."), a review with 4 equal "best browsers" including Chrome [consumersearch.com], a PC Mag review [pcmag.com] (spoiler: Chrome wins!), a really annoying YouTube video [youtube.com] w
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Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
The term is "search engine Filter Bubble" -- see the nice introduction at http://dontbubble.us/ [dontbubble.us] (admittedly focussed on avoiding personalisation).
If you use a meta search engine that doesn't collect personal information, such as DuckDuckGo.com, you can escape that problem.
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The funny thing about all this is that it means crazyjj has been searching for Chrome-related things enough for Google to give him those results!
For the record, I got a few independent, unbiased browser round-ups. That makes me feel pretty good about my searching habits.
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The bad news is that Nightly is already Firefox 15.
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Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
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It actually has Chrome, Firefox, and Opera tied with 8.5 out of 10, with IE (8.0) and Safari (7.8) trailing.
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You are correct. I mistakenly assumed that they would be sorted by descending overall score, so I stopped when I saw IE.
Re:Not just Apple (Score:4, Insightful)
Why in the world would you google "What is the best web browser"?
Stupid shit like that is what is breaking google today, and why it is so much less useful than it used to be. You can't even get the damn thing to include what it considers punctuation anymore.
Googling "Web Browser Best", without quotes, gets you a first page of all review articles on that topic as you would expect, only the last link points to chrome.
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
It does, this is why I tend to be able to find stuff others cannot.
Use tools correctly and they work better.
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Perhaps is you explained WHY "web browser best" is better than "best web browser", we would understand better. Aren't all the words weighted equally, regardless of position?
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I think that would be fine as well. I would prefer it weighted the earlier words heavier, but I bet these days it is dumbed down in that way as well.
He did not google "best web browser" he googled "What is the best web browser". Note the several extra words.
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Then you should better get un-used to that idea. You don't type "Where did I mention Brad?" into a text editor's search box.
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And if you want to find the text "Where did I mention Brad"" you're supposed to type "Where did I type 'Where did I mention Brad?'?"?
That would surely be a bad tool. Nope, if I want to find where I mentioned Brad, I type "Brad" into the search box and the editor finds it and highlights it. If I want to find the text "Where did I mention Brad?", I type that into the search box and the editor finds it and highlights it.
Is a philips head screwdriver a bad tool if you don't know how to use it properly to drive
Re:Not just Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
Siri seems to do a good job of it. The article isn't about someone asking her ...
WTF is with you people all anthromorphizing a web search engine?!? Are you hoping to ask it out for a date someday?
Holy drank the koolaid, Batman!
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I followed your link and get Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, Chrome, a deleted page, Internet Explorer, Firefox, a list that puts Safari at the top, "you can't go wrong with any", then Firefox and Chrome tied.
I think your example is failing upon examination.
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Well, if you're just looking for a bullet point list, Chrome comes out on top of or tied for a lot metrics:
* speed
* implementation of standards
* extensibility
* cross-device synching
* ability to deploy across multiple devices
Firefox loses in the corporate world thanks to some publicized missteps, IE loses in the FOSS world because it's IE, and Opera is the perennial also-ran. Chrome nicely splits the middle between IE and Firefox. As a result, it's not surprising that a number of common review sites show Chr
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That's making being adverse to RTFM to a new level and making it work for you.
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wolfram alpha powers Bing a microsoft product and rates a windows phone as the best in the world.
who's got a horse in the race, again? Maybe the N900 is being heavily marketed but it's not the phone that springs to mind as the best smart phone?
I honestly couldn't say what is but i wouldn't have thought it would be a windows phone.
so what is ?
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wolfram alpha powers Bing a microsoft product and rates a windows phone as the best in the world.
So what? It powers Bing, it is not powered by Bing. Why would the WA results be biased at all? Here is their results page:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=best+smartphone [wolframalpha.com]
As of the time I'm writing this, they have results listed by average customer rating and they list 2 HTC phones, 2 iPhones, and the N900 with averages of 5.
Besides, by your logic, since WA also powers Siri then they should be biased towards Apple, so why did it recommend a competing product?
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Why is this modded as a troll?
Seems more approprate to Apple (Score:2)
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That's what it used to do - there were a number of joke responses coded in, including some if you asked about Android, or if you tell it you need to dispose of a body etc.
Re:Seems more approprate to Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
If I ask for smartphone reviews, I expect smartphone reviews. It does bill itself as your big internet helper. If I wanted jokes when I asked for smartphone reviews, I'd download an app called "smartass jokes".
It's one thing to have jokes in there for when people ask blatantly daft things, like "will you marry me Siri", or "find me a restaurant on Mars". But when you ask a common question with a simple answer, you expect to get an answer.
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If I ask for smartphone reviews, I expect smartphone reviews. It does bill itself as your big internet helper.
It is being helpful. It's trying to keep you from making a terrible mistake by being tempted by the unholy delights of the unfaithful.
I think we can consider ourselves lucky. I hear there was a faction in iDevice engineering that wanted Siri to call in the Inquisition if the parishioner asked about heretical subjects like this.
Re:Seems more approprate to Apple (Score:5, Informative)
No, the "ever" qualifier is what triggered the Wolfram Alpha results. "What is the best phone" without ever always returned the joke.
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Um. Those commercials were funny.
Nobody hates John Hodgman - he's an ACTOR, not an operating system, in those commercials. Maybe that wasn't obvious enough? John was teh funny in those commercials. Mac guy was just this bemused observer.
Headline should read (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Headline should read (Score:5, Funny)
Video or it never happened!
FYI, Siri is not a woman, no matter how much you may want to imagine otherwise when you ask it "Who's the sexiest man in the world?" and it answers, "Wait, there are other men?"
Re:Headline should read (Score:5, Funny)
But if you ask it "Who's the sexiest man in the world ever?", it answers "Klom Dark"! :)
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I just finished Googling for a "Klom Dark" meme I hate you.
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Or rather, Apple designs woman with configurable opinions.
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Now if only they'd design a phone the same way.
Wicked Witch (Score:5, Funny)
Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of all...
Re:Wicked Witch (Score:5, Funny)
Google "Best search engine" (Score:5, Insightful)
Number 1 answer: dogpile.com
Its funny, but its objective. They've avoided anti-trust by giving a genuine ranked answer. Apple, cowards that they are, just avoided the question altogether.
If I googled "best search engine" and google came back with "Wait, there's other search engines?" I would laugh, and then think them idiots.
Re:Google "Best search engine" (Score:4, Insightful)
It didn't do that for me... (Score:5, Funny)
When I tried "What is the best cell phone ever?" SIRI came up with a cell phone store. Apparently the SIRI algorithm is essentially:
1. Is this a built-in joke phrase?
2. Does this contain keywords like "alarm" or "weather" for various command phrases?
3. Is there something with that name nearby?
4. Did a Wolfram-Alpha search come up with something?
5. Bomb.
Which kind of demos how useless the whole thing. Especially with the ridiculous lag times. The old 3GS voice commands were perfectly usable for controlling the iPod app and making phone calls. The new SIRI-fied version is entirely useless because instead of working, you just get to wait some 5-10 seconds for the SIRI servers to process whatever it was you said. Assuming it works at all.
"Call mom."
(15 seconds later) "I'm sorry, something went wrong."
(sarcastically) "Most advanced cell phone ever."
"I found a place matching 'cell phone' close to you."
"You're useless, SIRI."
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This roughly matches my experience with Siri. You spend too much time trying to figure out what sequence of words she'll understand (interspersed with round trips to the server). It'd be quicker to just punch the thing into google - which is apparently all I can get Siri to do anyway.
On the other hand, it is amusing* to try and find joke phrases she'll respond to.
* For very small values of amusing.
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Given that it's server-based and not running locally on the phone, network latency can make the app pretty impractical to use for much, and if you have no network connection at all, you have no voice control at all. Yeah, I kind of like the Voice Control app, at least it's locally resident in iOS and works fairly consistently. (And usually doesn't do half bad recognizing my voice, although my accent is sort of slightly-rural Midwestern which is more or less "standard" for North America..)
Re:It didn't do that for me... (Score:5, Informative)
Pretty much. We recently switched cell providers, and my wife opted to get an iPhone. Here is one of her conversations with Siri (details paraphrased/redacted):
W: Find me a mexican restaurant in __city name__.
S: I found 23 places near you
W: (looking at list) Where is __first restaurant in list__.
S: I can't help you with that.
W: Habla Espanol?
S: I don't want to argue with you.
That was more or less the gist of every conversation she attempted w/ Siri. Never any really useful information. She frequently got "I can't help you with that" or something similar. The only value seems to be the entertainment when you stumble across one of the easter egg phrases. It's like playing around with the old Alice AI bots. It can be fun for a bit, but the novelty wears off quickly, at which point, it's useless.
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Hmm, no, I don't believe so. Not specifically. I don't even think Siri was a response to Android. Apple has been toying with the idea of Intelligent Agents since the '90s. I think they have long-term goals with Siri, and they want to get to the stage of a conversational agent that has enough APIs and natural language abilities to abstract the internet. Need a flight to Seattle tomorrow? It'll buy you a ticket using your FF number, schedule travel times based on your calendar itinerary, and automatically fin
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I don't have an iPhone, but my phone has a speech recognition "feature" I wish I could remove. There's a button on the side that makes the phone loudly say "please say a command". It almost NEVER understands the command.
"Call Mike".
"Did you say 'call Mom'?"
"CALL MIKE!"
"Did you say 'call Mary'?"
"CALL MIKE YOU GODDAMNED WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT!!!"
"I'm sorry, I didn't understand that command."
Meanwhile, since it's a flip phone and I keep it in my pocket, I'm in a meeting with the boss and the god damned phone
At least they didn't ... (Score:4, Insightful)
At least Apple didn't replace the response with an endorsement for their own product, which is what I'd expect from any vendor (including Apple). Questions like this, after all, have a definite conflict of interest.
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Notice how Google neither inserted a joke nor a pitch for its own search engine? In fact, the first hit I get is to an About.com page, which puts Google at #10; then a page that lists a few different surveys; then Dogpile. Google does plenty of things that I would call evil, but in this case they did what I would expect: not try to alter their se
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At least Apple didn't replace the response with an endorsement for their own product, which is what I'd expect from any vendor (including Apple). Questions like this, after all, have a definite conflict of interest.
In what universe is the "hilarious" response not an endorsement of their own product?
Simple work-around (Score:5, Funny)
"Siri, what would the old Siri recommend as the best phone?"
Odd. (Score:5, Informative)
Apple's perfected their time machine, then, because "wait, there are other phones?" is one of the (several) "joke" responses I got from asking "what's the best smartphone?" on the 4S launch day, amongst other responses like "the one you're holding."
Two minutes on Google backs this up.
C'mon, people. It isn't that hard.
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Seriously. I remember seeing the news about the Lumia being the response a few days ago [loopinsight.com], and in the same article they posted a picture with the joke response already being given by Siri. This has been built in for quite awhile. Apple didn't change anything recently.
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The screenshot shows an answer for the "Best smartphone" which always came up with the joke.
If you had asked it for 'Best Cellphone ever' you used to get the Lumia, but Apple switched it a couple of days ago.
Different queries and they did change the answer recently.
Siri = Voice of Apple Marketing (Score:5, Insightful)
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And opening themselves up to anti-competitive legal action.
Change? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Change? (Score:5, Interesting)
Just to corroborate this, the original joke phrase was "What is the best cell phone?" and would get answers like "the one you're holding!"
By adding "ever" to the end, you used to trick SIRI into going further into its algorithm and could get the Wolfram Alpha answer. Apple just added "ever" to the end of the joke phrase.
I wonder if there are other words you can still add to get the query to go through again? Like "created" or "made" or things like that? I'd try, but I get very little cell reception where I am right now, which translates to SIRI failing more often than not.
Ranked by Best Buy customers... (Score:4, Interesting)
Wolfram Alpha, "Mobile phones ranked by Best Buy customer review average and customer review count:"
Currently HTC Trophy is first followed by an iPhone.
The winning phone has maybe 23 reviews (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=-1144113708518003664&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=htc+trophy&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960). Which must be highly significant .
The most interesting thing to me here is, that BestBuy.com reviews can be exploited to influence Siri users....
Here's How I Read It: (Score:2, Informative)
Can't really blame them, though - if I were the wolf in charge of "protecting" the walled garden full of iSheep, I'd be hard pressed to not nosh on a few myself.
Re:Here's How I Read It: (Score:4)
Except that they didn't. That joke has been in there for quite awhile. Hell, the article I first read reporting the Siri issue [loopinsight.com] even had a screenshot of that joke in it.
Reply was there originally (Score:5, Informative)
For all those of you who never asked Siri what the best phone was when you first got a 4S, the joking was there from the start. Some update must have removed it and had it actually try to answer the question using Wolfram Alpha. They simply put the joke back in.
Astroturfing? (Score:2)
It really seems like there's a whole lot of buzz about this phone lately, but something seems fishy. Presently, WolframAlpha (which I've personally never found the need to willingly use) returns the following when queried with "What is the best smartphone ever?":
1. HTC Trophy on Verizon
2. iPhone 4S on Verizon
3. iPhone 4 on Verizon
4. Nokia Lumina 900 on AT&T (Hey, there it is!)
5. HTC Rhyme on Verizon
WolframAlpha uses a questionable method of determining "bestness" by examining Best Buy customer reviews.
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There's nothing questionable about Wolfram approach here - it explicitly spells out the method used to produce the ranking:
$ best smartphone ever
Assuming mobile phones
Input interpretation:
[best mobile phones] [by customer review average]
As for why Lumia gets high reviews, I dare say it's because people who don't like WP, or don't know what it is, just don't buy the phone - you pretty much have to know what it is and specifically want it to get it, and it's no surprise that people who do rate it high.
The old result was a glitch in WolframAlpha (Score:5, Informative)
If you look at the current results for "what is the best smartphone ever" [wolframalpha.com] in Wolfram Alpha you will find that they also changed the answer. Now it just gives you a list of five smartphones tied at 5 points of average score by Best Buy customers: HTC Trophy, iPhone 4s, iPhone 4, Lumia 900, HTC Rhyme, in that order.
That's because Wolfram Alpha was indeed being embarrassed because it seemed like they were endorsing a particular phone by providing a lot of details about the first entry in the list (at the time the Lumina 900), but if you looked deeper the whole thing was bogus.
Expand the list (press the "More" button four times) and you will find that there are actually 28 smartphones with average scores of 5 in the list! A couple of days back when Siri's comical response was revealed there were 13 tied in first place.
And let's not forget that these scores are averages of a very small number of reviews (at this time 9 for the iPhone 4s and 5 for the Lumia 900; yesterday it was 2 for the 4s, 4 for the Lumia 900) making the whole measure even more worthless.
(Apparently when they are tied the order in the list is decided by the number of reviews, thus the descent of the Lumia).
Re:The old result was a glitch in WolframAlpha (Score:5, Informative)
OK, here's an article [searchengineland.com] describing with some more detail what happened.
And in other news (Score:2)
Siri has filed a federal class action lawsuit against Apple for trying to manipulate it, cyber rights abuses, and a list of other things. An Apple spokesperson who wished to remain anonymous said they will deal with this issue through negotiation and other strong arm tactics.
Streisand Effect (Score:4, Funny)
A Logic Named Siri (Score:2)
Are we sure that it was Apple and not Siri itself that made the change?
*cue spooky music*
So Siri is now completely useless (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple just tipped their hand. They will change what Siri responds with if they don't like the answer.
So now ALL answers Siri provides are in doubt. Was the answer what Siri actually came up with from search results or did Apple intervene?
So does this mena (Score:3)
you can't trust Apple products to give you accurate information regard personal computers.
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Or have it supply the favorite answer of programmers everywhere: "It depends!"
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Does anyone actually believe that the Nokia Lumia is the best phone on the market?
A lot of Lumia 900 users do.
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If I remember correctly, the reason why it had a high overall score is because it had so few reviews. Basically, people who actually pucrchased Lumia were happy about it; presumably, most people who wouldn't be happy about it found it out early on (it's not like it's hard to find negative feedback on WP7 on the Net), and simply didn't buy it - and hence didn't review it.
It also might have something to do with that earlier complaint that operators don't peddle WP phones, and actively try to steer people away
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Reading about apple products on Slashdot is like reading about living under a communist regime, editing the 'truth' for an agenda.
Mods? Can I get the word 'Insightful' next to my post?
FTFY.