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Anti-Vaccination Conspiracy Theories Thrive on Amazon (cnn.com) 324

Amid a growing measles outbreak in the United States, the role of powerful tech companies like YouTube and Facebook in spreading vaccine misinformation is under heavy scrutiny. But there is another massive platform offering spurious anti-vaccination content to people seeking information: Amazon, the world's largest online marketplace. CNN Business: And, asked about it, an Amazon spokesperson only pointed CNN Business to the company's content guidelines page, which says the following: "As a bookseller, we provide our customers with access to a variety of viewpoints, including books that some customers may find objectionable. That said, we reserve the right not to sell certain content, such as pornography or other inappropriate content." A recent search for "vaccine" on Amazon yielded a search page dominated by anti-vaccination content. Of the 18 books and movies listed on the search page, 15 contained anti-vaccination content. The first listing was a sponsored post -- that is, an ad for which Amazon was paid -- for the book "Vaccines on Trial: Truth and Consequences of Mandatory Shots" by Pierre St. Clair, which Amazon was also offering for free to Kindle Unlimited subscribers.
UPDATE (3/2/2019): Amazon "has apparently started removing anti-vaccine documentaries from its Amazon Prime Video streaming service," CNN reports.

However, "a number of anti-vaccine books were still available for purchase on Amazon.com when CNN Business reviewed search results on Friday afternoon, and some were still being offered for free to Kindle Unlimited subscribers."
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Anti-Vaccination Conspiracy Theories Thrive on Amazon

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  • by lgw ( 121541 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @10:48AM (#58188228) Journal

    There's hardly a freedom more important than the right to be wrong. The right to hold, discuss, and publish ideas that more people think are downright stupid and dangerous is the core right in a free society. After all, saying and doing what everyone in society thinks is correct needs little protection.

    If people want to separate fools from their money on Amazon, that's their clear right. The nice thing is: if a clear bestseller emerges, education can then be focused on debunking that specific work, and have a very broad reach compared to a million stupid misconceptions across the internet.

    • What if the right to be wrong affects others detrimentally? "Don't tread on me!" says the Gadsden Flag. The trodden upon in this case are those who can't be vaccinated, and to a lesser extent those who have vaxxed since vaccinations are not a perfect shield in a similar manner to seatbelts against crash injury. They are emphatically not the Pro-Pestilencers, as they cry to be.

      The freedom to recklessly swing one's fists about ends at another's nose.
      • by jythie ( 914043 )
        Which is kind the point of the Gadsden Flag and why people wave it.... people not wanting the state stopping them from treading on others.
    • by shilly ( 142940 )

      And we are free to show our disdain for Amazon, and the people making money, and the fuckers who shill for them with spurious arguments. And we are free to apply pressure to Amazon to try to dissuade it from allowing those books on its store. And it's free to choose to stock or not stock as it sees fit, taking into account the ethics of promoting lies, providing an open marketplace, the money it will make or lose by its choices, and the risk of regulation if it fails to take action.

      So what's your point? Are

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )

      Agreed. Anti-vaxers are wrong, but book burning isn't the answer.

    • You are absolutely correct. I think there are two semi-conflicting powers at play here. One is opinion and the other is education. An author writes a book/blog/article and offers his/her opinion and attempts to share their beliefs.

      But the other (and maybe I've miscategorized it) is teaching the unwashed masses. It's one thing to show up to a rally and listen to the voices of people sharing. In this world though an Algorithm starts sharing content with you - possibly misrepresenting the level of trut

  • When their kids start dying, maybe they'll get a Clue. "buh buh buh you TOLD me vax are bad! You TOLD me my precious would develop immunities towards all these diseases!"

    If not, then their genes are retired from the pool. Win.

    Sounds cruel and cold, but this is natural selection. Weed out the crackpot conspiracists.

    The scary part is their walking timebomb offspring will affect others. That's what truly makes the antivaxxers dangerous.

    • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

      Sure. Let's shred our civil liberties "for the children".

      This whole narrative is shameless spin demonizing tools that allow individuals freedom to exercise free will.

      • Sure. Let's shred our civil liberties "for the children".

        Re-read what I said. I'm advocating for them not to be slienced.

        They will silence themselves when their offspring starts dying from preventable, avoidable diseases.

        Clear this time?

        • Rest assured that they will suddenly start demanding that you save their little precious. If they'd just die quietly, I wouldn't complain so much.

    • When their kids start dying, maybe they'll get a Clue.

      And when your kid that can't be vaccinated dies, you'll just shrug your shoulders and hope they got a Clue?

      • And when your kid that can't be vaccinated dies, you'll just shrug your shoulders and hope they got a Clue?

        Wait, you're putting a hypothetical that I have a child that can't be vaccinated against X, and the kid dies from X, would that make me shrug my shoulders and hope they (the antivaxxers) got a Clue?

        I may actually do a bit more than just shrug my shoulders, I would be distraught, angry, I imagine. Really pissed off. I would want them (the antivaxxers) to wake the fuck up and realize that their retardation is killing others (which is the argument I'm making, in case it escaped your notice)

        Would I go after

    • If they could only off their own spawn that way, I'd say let them.

  • So, why complain? To me, if there is free or cheap content, then get it, read it, and post online reviews. If you read it and object, then post a negative review and shame them out of the market. Be honest about it. At least read it and post an honest review. That is how the market works. Why is the headline here trying to blame Amazon? To me, this is a great opportunity to let the review/free-market work.
  • Anti-vax sells! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Allasard ( 565291 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @11:14AM (#58188384)
    How many people write and buy pro-vaccination books?
    How many people love to write a conspiracy-laden book about evil corporations and doctors, and promise enlightenment by not following that path?

    My guess is the latter.

    Is that really Amazon's fault that there are more Anti-Vax books than Pro-Vax? My guess is any brick-and-mortar book store would contain the same.

    • Good point, there is not much to say in support of vaccinations. They've worked for so long, how much content can you cram into a book saying "they still work"? I suppose a history of some sort.
    • I want to agree with you. But, I just realized (having just posted a review of one of the books) that Amazon has a policy of taking up to 3 days to review and then allow a review to be shown. So, Amazon's incentive is to have 5 star reviews in order to sell books. I suppose that I need to rescind my above comment regarding the free market. Amazon will promote this conspiracy crap because it sells books. I think I need a hot bath and a shot of, well, not shots.
    • How many people write and buy pro-vaccination books? How many people love to write a conspiracy-laden book about evil corporations and doctors, and promise enlightenment by not following that path?

      My guess is the latter.

      Is that really Amazon's fault that there are more Anti-Vax books than Pro-Vax? My guess is any brick-and-mortar book store would contain the same.

      This is true about a lot of things.

      Anti-anti-depressants sells, for example. How many people write pro-anti-depressant (popular) books? It's much more exciting to think there's a grand conspiracy.

  • While I believe that parents should have the right to choose what is right for their children, I have a problem from people deliberately being paid for distributing false information to push a viewpoint.

    If people believe so vehemently that vaccination is wrong and want to express their viewpoint fine, but unless they have verifiable, peer-reviewed, replicated information, then they should not be allowed to profit financially from it.

    • While I believe that parents should have the right to choose what is right for their children

      Like to bring back ancient Greek man-boy love? Or to sell off their daughters at tween ages?

      Let us not pretend that parents always have their children's best interests in mind.

    • While I believe that parents should have the right to choose what is right for their children,

      Like genital mutilation ?

  • Not Theories! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Murdoch5 ( 1563847 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @11:44AM (#58188560) Homepage
    A theory has a meaning in science and society, and there is no such thing as a anti-vaccination theory, because no evidence has been presented to agree with the hypothesis that vaccinates cause things such as Autism.
    • Some people believe that corporations have infiltrated CDC and the AAP to create guaranteed demand for vaccines which would otherwise be unprofitable. Some people believe that any public health benefit is beside the point, and profit is the only thing that matters to the CDC and AAP. Even if there are elements of truth to that, it still represents a conspiracy theory, does it not? It is not all just about autism, you know. There are even more elaborate conspiracy theories, surrounding vaccines. But I don't

      • It's a conspiracy, not a theory, you can't just append theory to anything you want. A theory is defined as:

        1) A coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.

        2) A proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.

        3) Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.

        If conspiracies want to be promoted to theories, they need fulfill the the definition of theory. A theory is not something pulled of the air, and asserted without fact or evidence, which is how it's used when it's appended to conspiracy. If a conspiracy get promoted to theory, it isn't a conspiracy, so you can't even have a conspiracy theory, it's nonsensical statement.

  • There's 15 results for anti-vaccination when you search for vaccination. While it's the majority of the search results I don't think one could call 15 results out of the millions of books Amazon carries to be thriving.

    The only thing that I might object to is if Amazon lets sponsored posts link to objectionable content such as anti-vaccination books.

  • If you don't like what you read in a book, then go write your own book, or create an organization to promulgate your correct thinking point of view. Sometimes I think people want to give up a thousand years of hard-won individual freedoms just because they are more worried about social justice or correct thinking about vaccines than they are about basic individual freedom.

  • All this censorship is not a good way to go.

    Yes, with the vaccination stuff, I think the goal is good. That's not the point. Free speech protection isn't needed for the viewpoints that all the "right" people think are good.

    The day will come when the ascendant viewpoint is not something that you think is right or good. And it will be you who isn't going to be allowed to say anything against it. But by then, it will be too late.

  • Wrong headline (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sumus Semper Una ( 4203225 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @01:38PM (#58189334)

    I think a more accurate headline would have been "Anti-Vaccination Conspiracy Theories Remain Popular and Lucrative - Amazon Marketplace Reflects This". And, for that matter, it's not limited to anti-vaccination conspiracy theories. Societies have always had problems with people who are all too willing to believe what they want to believe regardless of evidence to the contrary, and others willing to exploit those people for money.

    When your mirror shows you something that upsets you, the correct solution is not to try to bend the mirror.

  • Notice how the implication in these things is that these companies must *police truth*. This is a book store that has made itself a huge force in the bookselling market- so much so that it moved on to pretty much any other physical object you may wish to buy.

    And now it is being called on to ascertain that certain political movements are banned? I'm sure they'll start with the wrong ones, but you'd be a fool to think they'll end there too.

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