Russia To Act Against Google if Sputnik, RT Get Lower Search Rankings (reuters.com) 192
Paresh Dave and Jack Stubbs, reporting for Reuters: The Kremlin will take action against Alphabet's Google if articles from Russian news websites Sputnik and Russia Today are placed lower in search results, the Interfax news service cited Russia's chief media regulator as saying on Tuesday. Alexander Zharov, head of media regulator Roskomnadzor, said his agency sent a letter to Google on Tuesday requesting clarification on comments Saturday by Alphabet Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt about how the Russian websites would be treated in search, according to Interfax. "We will receive an answer and understand what to do next," Interfax quoted Zharov as saying. "We hope our opinion will be heard, and we won't have to resort to more serious" retaliatory measures.
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>> No, they do not distort facts or information
Exactly what do you think hiding search results is then?
Re: Google doesn't do this (Score:1)
They're not hidden, not censored, they have just been reranked. This is the same model that is used here on Slashdot.
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Exactly what do you think hiding search results is then?
Why are you complaining now? Why didn't you complain before when they only showed 10 of the possible 15 bilion results on the first page.
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Thanks for such a childish answer, it only underlines that you have no sensible counterargument.
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Exactly what do you think hiding search results is then?
It's de-ranking fake news stories. I'm good with that.
Don't worry Trump will still link this crap in his tweets.
If you rely on algorithms to define "fake news" (Score:2)
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Sleep tight little sheep
Sorry comrade. Your handlers may have told you that Americans are triggered by words like "sheep", because we pride ourselves on freedom, and not being part of the pack. Be that as it may, we're learning about your tactics. Your're going to need to figure out a different attack vector.
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Actually, if you'd been paying attention to paid shilling on here the last few years--as opposed to just recently when it became convenient to find things to blame on the Russians--US govt. and corporate shills have been here for years. Go read old (~2013) threads on network neutrality, nuclear energy, Julian Assange, etc., and ask yourself what Russia would have to gain from any of the clear and present trolling therein.
Pro-tip: Russia doesn't care about slashdot. It doesn't care about "sowing discord", de
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Oh noes me grammar not well? You reveal yourself by your inability to do much other than hurl insults. Mark of a pure troll.
Consider yourself disregarded and irrelevant.
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Sorry but unlike you, I'm not prepared to give up my freedom to think for myself and just buy into the libtard lockstep social agenda brainwashing.
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Sorry but unlike you, I'm not prepared to give up my freedom to think for myself and just buy into the libtard lockstep social agenda brainwashing.
And comments like this can only be posted by a Russian propagandist. I mean really, it's comical. You are calling someone a "libtard" for suggesting that purposefully inflammatory, divisive, and fake posts by aggressive foreign powers should be called out into the open.
Someone has to be paying you to be this retarded. There's no other excuse.
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>> comments like this can only be posted by a Russian propagandist.
haha lol. Thanks for proving my point, Anyone with an opinion different from yours must be a commie and be shunned. As I said, typical Libtard.
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It's their RIGHT to organize search rankings as they see fit, and the right of others to accuse them of bias in suits. That's capitalism. It's funny when conservatives don't support these things just because it's xyz company that isn't 100% republican.
SEO (Score:3)
Honestly google fucked up (Score:5, Insightful)
The moment they started manually messing with search rankings in order to appease people they fucked up.
They should have their algorithm and let the chips fall where they may.
That way no one can accuse you of favoritism or whatever.
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They should have their algorithm and let the chips fall where they may.
Was the algorithm given by the God almighty himself and any tinkering with it is desecration? No. Ever since the early days people have tired to game The Algorithm and it had to be tweaked to counter it. All those tweaks are manual, be it in the algorithm itself or blacklisting. Do you really want to return back to the days where page relevance was determined only by how many other pages referenced it?
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The algorithms themselves are heavily hand-tuned to prevent abuse. It's necessary because bad actors are also investing a lot of time and energy into finding ways to game the system.
It's unavoidable when you opponent is another human. Spam filters are the same, they need human tuning to work.
in all fairness (Score:1)
If the content comes from outside my country, maybe the content should be downranked. It's not just a Russia thing, it's a relevance thing.
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It sounds simple, but who defines outside my country? RT America produces content in Washington DC, for example. If we choose to ignore Reuters because it's based in the UK, how do we feel about Rupert Murdoch owning News Corp?
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If the content comes from outside my country, maybe the content should be downranked. It's not just a Russia thing, it's a relevance thing.
The problem is, there are many times where the media *in* your own country won't cover something because of reasons. That happened an awful lot under the Obama(US), Chretien(Canada) and now under Trudeau Jr.(Canada). If you want to find what's really going on, it's almost required that you read opposition news media, or in some cases foreign news media. When I was a kid in the early 80's, I used to listen to USSR, UK, US and CDN media on longwave. That was the only way you got the full story on pretty m
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Except we're talking about news. You seem to have missed the last ~8 years where the news media decided to go down the path of clickbait.
PROTIP: The entire world is close to a US embargo. (Score:2, Insightful)
The abusive bully yelling "What are you going to do, hahahahaha!" is always the last think the bully says, before another kid gives him the surprise knockout.
I was that kid in school. Twice.
The second time, in 10th class, the teacher didn't even blink. Bullirs get what they deserve.
The BRICS countries work hard on freeing themselves from the US. The whole point of the EU is, to counter the US influence, in case you hadn't noticed. And the third world countries never could stand you to begin with. Which migh
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In truth the rest of the world are sick to death with both the US and Russia at this stage
You're equating the US with Russia? Has Russia spent the last 15 years bombing countries on the other side of the planet for bullshit reasons? The U.S. has a thousand military bases around the world - how many does Russia have.
etc.
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Specifically, which countries in Central America has Russia been bombing since 2002?
They aren't, you fascist POS. Georgia invaded South Ossetia and the United States overthrew the elected government of Ukraine.
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Nope. If you can't get remedial current events right, you could at least go for knowing your grammar when it comes to possessives.
Yeah, and I'm sure you accused anyone of questioning the Iraq war as being a Saddam sympathizer. You're (note the correct usage) as full of shit now as you were in 2003.
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whatadumbfuck whatadumbfuck whatadumbfuck whatadumbfuck
Clean that beam outta your eye before whining about the mote in the other guy's.
Oh, hi there, Mister Black Hole? (Score:2)
Google is big enough that if they were to "black hole" enough of Russia's systems, they would be effectively booted off the Internet.
So long as it's not an actual government agency doing it, the various governments can just toss up their hands and say, "Hey, you pissed off a private company. Isn't capitalism great?"
Re:Oh, hi there, Mister Black Hole? (Score:5, Insightful)
What the fuck, seriously what the fuck. You sound like a cultist that has drunk way, way too much google cool aid. Google is basically a web site that searches the internet and nothing more. First they started with do no evil and then the corporates took over and it was do evil all the fucking time. Basically either Google ponies up details or the Russian government kicks them out to favour Russian enterprises competing in the same area. To put it simply https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fuck... [duckduckgo.com] or the funnier version https://www.yandex.com/search/... [yandex.com].
Google's number one marketing skill is self promotion. Scamming advertisers into believing they need to spend shit tons of money with Google to sell product and all based upon Googles research proving it, yep, uh huh. Google does only one thing well, self promote, sell the ability of Google to sell, reality is every one ignores googles ads, everyone skips youtube ads, google has very little influence in reality and that control, is the control over the people it sells it's marketing lies to, the real suckers spending billions on google ads that lead no where.
Now you have the big shit at alphabet carrying on like they have the actual power, they pretend to for marketing purpose. I can't tell whether the big shit is gas lighting them or he believes his own marketing and hype and sees himself as a internet GOD.
The internet connects people without people the internet is nothing. It is the people that give meaning to the internet. Google is shit, a big marketing scam, that has in the most pathetic cultist way started to believe it owns marketing. When google cuts off people it actually cuts itself out and the more people google isolates the more isolated google becomes. The reality is google has fuck all power and is the people's bitch, now suffering from delusions of grandeur and is going to get a rude awakening.
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so, i think i agree with the black hole sentiment.
how many .ru domains are there that make a living (both legal and illegal) off search results? how many "fake news" sites are there that originate in russia? how many email spammers live in russia? how many apps in the google play store originate in russia?
if suddenly nobody can find any product or service that has an ip address in russia? if all of a sudden the largest email provider (currently with a billion users) blocks everything from russia? what
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Another genious quoting "do no evil" from 1998.
First they started with do no evil and then the corporates took over and it was do evil all the fucking time.
What? A corporation seeking profits? Say it isn't so!
the real suckers spending billions on google ads that lead no where.
Yes, indeed. The people that spend hundreds of billions of dollars on advertising really don't know anything. They probably don't do any sort of studies or research to understand if they are throwing hundreds of billions of dollars down the toilet, because you know, they really hate money and don't care if they lose it. They should hire brainiacs like you to run they corporations. It'd save them hundreds of b
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I doubt they have the courage.
Going back years they "pin" RT's content on almost all of the Google News stories. Even if you're logged in and try to "personalize" the news to remove them completely, there will still be an RT link under most of the stories, with a headline claiming the opposite of whatever the story it is under says.
Google probably rolled over on this one before the story was even published. They choose their battles, and this isn't one they even are going to admit exists.
A good reaction (Score:2, Troll)
A good reaction to this demand is to set all the top search results for "Putin" to be related to organized crime and corruption.
See who caves first.
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When will Russia learn that they can't force us to acquiesce by issuing an endless stream of threats and lies?
When it stops working.
Google are absolutely going the right thing. Just as well, they can afford to.
LOL
Re:Good!! (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure, if you think of international megacorps as being part of "the West" then I can see why you might presume that they would respond to the situation in a culturally beneficial way.
But what if they're greedy, and have no cultural loyalties other than to corporate money culture?
Ignore Russia. (Score:2)
Except that they wonâ(TM)t google canâ(TM)t stand to leave any money on the table no matter what they will end up having to do to get it.
The point is... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The point is... (Score:4, Informative)
Based on the clarity and brilliance of your remarks, I believe I'll buy some GOOG.
So... do we actually have evidence of anything ? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm looking at RT.com's front page right now. Everything looks semi-normal, no glaring "FAKE!" story, at least stories that go completely counter to what Western media is spouting. Taking a particular piece, about Lebanon's Hariri and the whole "quitting from Saudi Arabia" debacle of the last week :
https://www.rt.com/news/410561... [rt.com]
Comparing said story with the Washington Post's story on the same event shows near identical facts being stated by both outlets :
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
So... what's the issue with RT.com's coverage ? Only the fact that it's state sponsered ? But by that token, so is PBS, BBC, CBC, ABC (the Australian ABC, not the American one!)... This all seems rather unfair and lacking any actual substance. It seems to be ... actual anti-Russian propaganda in a way. Maybe if Alphabet were a bit more transparent about their findings that led up to this decision. I mean, surely they're not just doing this based on the "Russian meddling" narrative, that's based on a report from a private firm like Crowdstrike... or worse... the Steele Dossier that's been proven false in many regards. And why are they not blocking Buzzfeed news ? Let's be real. Buzzfeed.
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So... what's the issue with RT.com's coverage ?
They're russian. You're now getting a dose of cold war politics being pushed by the left because of some ideological reason. That reason is, they're so determined to believe that it was Russia that cost Hillary the presidency, they're willing to triple down.
Re:So... do we actually have evidence of anything (Score:4, Informative)
RT pumps out conspiracy theories on an industrial scale. For example, here is a compilation of 50 of their 9/11 conspiracy theories: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... [youtube.com]
Granted, Fox like a good conspiracy too, but even they can't match RT's dedication to manufacturing bullshit. They have reposted material from Infowars and had uber-conspiracy nut Alex Jones on many times. This story [rt.com] is a good example, this [infowars.com] being the Infowars original.
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Different (Score:3, Insightful)
One has to differ between these four "offizicial state media":
1. Russia Today Russian Site
2. Russia Today International Site
3. sputniknews.com Russian Site
4. sputniknews.com International Site
All four usually deliver 80% of rather well written and researched. Stuff like "heavy rain damaged a road" or "prices for apples are up". Sometimes they even critizise single politicians. Not Putin and never the system for sure. You read rarelly about the opposition.
It is the other 20% where things are getting interesting.
1. and 2. usually reports whatever the russian goverment wants to get reported and do so in a mostly sincere way. They will not outright fabricate fake news or conspiracy theories but will gladly repeat these if the goverment came up with em. Most disputed content is given a heavy pro-goverment tone.
3. and 4. are less strict about bullshit. You will sometimes read really lame fake news and strange stuff and they will not even stay clear of fabricating "alien abduction stories" and worse... also they often click traps like "war porn", "whataboutism" and such stuff.
be aware: The russian and international edition often differ on subjects.
How would they represent "fake moon landing"?
1. "it happened but most parts have been overdramatized through selective media representation"
2. "it happened but some parts have been rearranged through selective media representation"
3. "there are many people and lots of evidence it never happened that way. Most americans don't believe it either.
3. "there are some people and some evidence it never happened that way. Smarter americans don't believe it either.
fun fact, there is a german public broadcast station sputnik.de targeting teens and tweens, broadcasting music and news from entertainment which gets mixed up a lot with sputniknews.com.
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RT 9/11 conspiracy theories playlist: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/... [rationalwiki.org]
RT "Climategate" conspiracy theories playlist: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/... [rationalwiki.org]
They are associated with Infowars too, regularly interviewing Alex Jones and reposting Infowars content.
So I guess (Score:2)
Putin will switch to Yahoo as search engine then.
And I'm sure that Yandex boosts Google results (Score:2)
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Did you mean Seward's Folly [u-s-history.com]?
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Nah, it would mean using the USD which is riddled with debt. Which would mean China, Japan and Saudi Arabia would own most of Russia since they hold most of the US debt.
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You've got some derp on your chin...
Oh, hey, look, everybody is getting back in the pile!
Back in the pile!!!!
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Jack can't find room in the pile, everybody make some room in the pile for Jack
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They tuk er jrrrrrrrbs!!!!! They tuk er jrrrrrrrbs!!!
Oh yeah, you don't think everybody is gonna jump in the pile in 2017, that's because they're gonna wait until after New Years!
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Quick, report him to the authority! That will be the proof you need that the Russians HACKED the election, which we know is ""true""..
Hold on there cowboy! This is all fake news because Russia doesn't act upon people on the internet. Just a planted story by Hillary.
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-1 Troll? No, it's too weird to be a troll
-1 Flamebait? No, too funny to be Flamebait
+1 Insightful? Pardon? Um, no. I don't blame Slashdot for this, but maybe we need a -1 Weirdo mod (also +1 Weirdo) or -1 Poor Conspiracy Theory maybe.
Anyway, too much ALL CAPS SHOUTING.
Re: Empirical Evidence (Score:5, Informative)
But you posted, so that opens up another option, as in you're obviously willing to have a discussion, so here I'll provide a few links. The more people that can actually look past this mainstream media-conspiracy about a Russian-hack, the better:
The DNC server is the source of this Russian hack conspiracy that's being shoved down our throats. So if this is true, you'd think our government would have looked at it right? They haven't:
Pick through the links, they're abundant and verifiable -- even Donna B. commented on it when she somewhat betrayed the DNC-cult after releasing her book:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=DNC+... [duckduckgo.com]
We only have the word of Crowd Strike that maybe the DNC server was hacked. It's a belief, not a fact. So as mentioned, no one in our government has looked at it. Why is this?
http://investmentwatchblog.com... [investmentwatchblog.com]
https://www.washingtontimes.co... [washingtontimes.com]
I've been paying attention to what's going on, so it's hard to buy into any of this Russia-lie. And I like occasional CAPS, so suck it. Yelling is every single word in caps.
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BTW, I write things with a smile, but posts don't always convey that, even with this emoticon.
I'm getting tired of the "Russia narrative" here. (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm getting pretty tired of the whole "Russia narrative" that we get subjected to here at Slashdot again and again and again and again.
A Slashdot search for "russia" [slashdot.org] and a Slashdot search for "linux" [slashdot.org] both have Thursday October 19, 2017 as the date of the earliest submission listed on the first page of results.
So we get subjected to a submission about Russia just about as often as we get to read something about Linux!
It gets worse when we do a Slashdot search for "programming" [slashdot.org]. The earliest submission on the
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Well, wah? Maybe if Trump didn't provably collude with Russia you would have less undesirable news in your feed? Think about it that way.
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Well, wah? Maybe if Trump didn't provably collude with Russia you would have less undesirable news in your feed? Think about it that way.
[citation needed]
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[citation needed]
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0... [nytimes.com]
You're right though, really no provable connection between Trump and his campaign-manager son.
Re:I'm getting tired of the "Russia narrative" her (Score:4, Insightful)
That story got debunked hard. The Russian lawyer was magnitsky act lobbyist, and it was a setup. Both Jr. and the Lawyer were lied to about the meeting. Also, it's not actually collusion or illegal to receive information from foreign nationals about political opponents. What's illegal is paying for it.
Not to mention the links that Natalia Veselnitskaya has with Fusion GPS, which brings us to ... You know... the DNC and Clinton campaign paying for the Steele Dossier from Fusion GPS. Why do you think nothing ever came out of the Russian Lawyer meeting ?
If anything, we're discovering that any and all collusion in the election goes through Fusion GPS. And it all ties back to the DNC.
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That story got debunked hard.
No, it didn't. We have the email. We have a Russian operative asking Jr. if he was interested in dirt about the Clintons. We have Jr. responding to the email "I love it".
Also, it's not actually collusion or illegal to receive information from foreign nationals about political opponents. What's illegal is paying for it.
Yes, we'll see. We have very smart, determined people that will decide that. Or maybe you have more evidence and research than these people and you're ready to call it? Check your scientific method bub.
What I know is that Trump's campaign at least conspired with an unfriendly foreign power to affect election results. Even if it's not illega
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No, it didn't. We have the email. We have a Russian operative asking Jr. if he was interested in dirt about the Clintons. We have Jr. responding to the email "I love it".
The e-mail with Jr. was not from a Russian operative.
What I know is that Trump's campaign at least conspired with an unfriendly foreign power to affect election results.
But they didn't conspire and it didn't affect the election results.
No, we're not. Only nutjobs are going down that path. Seriously can you people do anything greater than regurgitate Fox news? It's just sad at this point.
Congress are nut jobs ?
https://www.reuters.com/articl... [reuters.com]
You must just watch CNN.
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The e-mail with Jr. was not from a Russian operative.
Define "operative". I define it has someone operating on behalf of Russia or Russian investors. So yes, it was.
If you deny that, maybe you could explain their motivation? What did this person stand to gain? Just a concerned Russian citizen then? Duh.
But they didn't conspire and it didn't affect the election results.
You trolls can repeat this until you're blue in the face. We aren't listening anymore. We're going to listen to the results of the people that are researching this, that have access to information and facts. You, and I, know nothing at this point.
Congress are nut jobs ?
I'm all for inv
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Yeah. It did.
And that's the most that came out of that little chestnut. Thus the debunking.
Deep state hacks, you mean. Besides, why do Russiphobes continue to fuck this chicken after it came out that not only did the Clinton campaign solicit the Steele Dossier, it paid for it. Whi
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Yeah. It did.
No, it didn't. This may come as a surprise, but just saying something doesn't make it true. You see how I linked a story from a reputable news source? One that includes citations and includes their sources? Welcome to Facts 101, where don't swallow your baseless troll crap anymore.
And that's the most that came out of that little chestnut. Thus the debunking.
That's enough for me. Putting aside whether there's a crime, it's f'ing awful to collude (not in the legal sense, relax) with an aggressive foreign power for your own gain. America first, not the Republican party, and not T's inv
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Yeah. It was. Copying and pasting since you skipped over it the first time:
This isn't a hard subject. No one is denying the meeting took place. But that's as far as it went - a meeting. The person wasn't a foreign intelligence agent (as opposed to Steele), no actionable information was given (as opposed to Steele) and no money changed hands (as opposed to Steele).
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No links. No data. Another rambling troll post.
Consider yourself disregarded and irrelevant. Keep posting though after all it's your job.
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Other than the link to an Intercept piece showing that the source of your link is a propaganda rag. See, this is why you never go Full Russiaphobe - it makes you say stupid shit.
Uh huh. Do let us know when you have more evidence than the Birthers, Chem Trailers and Anti-vaxxers have for their bullshit theories.
Eh.
Vi.
Dense.
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Actually that's false: [washingtonpost.com]
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Did anyone ever mention to you that collusion is not a crime? However, conspiracy against the government of the USA is a crime, a high crime in fact. That is what the Trump campaign is being investigated for, that and money laundering, possibly tax evasion as well. And, oh perjury. And, hmm, assorted unconstitutional activities. And, um, obstruction of justice. Hmm, probably that's not the end of it.
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Sucks to be you, Ivan
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Ah, sorry about that, you are completely correct. Does not mean that Trump and his cronies should escape prosecution.
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If anything, we're discovering that any and all collusion in the election goes through Fusion GPS. And it all ties back to the DNC.
What is conveniently forgotten in the ongoing efforts to whitewash Trump is that Fusion GPS was originally hired by the Republican party to gather intel on Trump. It was the GOP and their friends who started the infamous dossier not the Democrats. Then Trump became the torchbearer of Republican hopes, the next Ronald Reagan and unifier of the nation, the Fusion GPS/Steel data was orphaned because the Republicans bet the farm on Trump and in the best traditions of American capitalism Fusion GPS took their pr
Re:I'm getting tired of the "Russia narrative" her (Score:5, Insightful)
What I do worry about is that in many of these more political stories the comments often seem very reactionary. For example, on the stories about how Russia used Facebook to drive the left and right further apart. There you get comments like "nothing to see here, we always had propaganda, doing it through Facebook doesn't change much". While clearly it changes the scale, precision, subtlety and cost - all meaningful differences. But there were multiple comments downplaying if that all got up-voted. That gets me more worried. It means that either Slashdot is being manipulated, or that Slashdot's more critical readers have disappeared.
So for me the problem is not these stories, the problem is the low quality of discussion around them.
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Slashdot is absolutely being manipulated. It's one of the major targets of Russian info ops.
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The funny thing is that you think anybody in America would write that.
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The funny thing is that you think its an outlandish claim and that his post is just 'disagreeing'.
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2016 election: Russia relevant (not saying Russia did it, just it's a story)
Cybersecurity: Russia relevant
Censorship online: Russia relevant
Anything geopolitical: Russia relevant
Uranium (non-political): Russia relevant.
Wikileaks: Russia relevant.
Partisan politicial issue about GOP, dems, greens: Russia relevant.
I
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Sounds like the same "reasoning" used to "teach the controversy" on intelligence design, vaccines causing autism, and whether or not climate change is happening. You know, where the media gives credence to crackpots instead of calling them out on their bullshit.
Which is what the Russia hysteria is: bullshit. There is as much evidence to support the narratives you rattled off as there is that the government is doing mind control v
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Crimea overwhelmingly voted to join Russia after your literal neo-Nazi pals in Ukraine started passing legislation hostile to minorities. Pals that were put in place when the United States overthrew the elected government of Ukraine.
So get the fuck outta here with your neocon propaganda.
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How long are you going to continue making shit up about Putin attacking Ukraine? Years of neocon blather and not one photo from a drone or spy satellite, only pictures posted to social media by your literal neo-Nazi pals.
But even if Putin outright invaded Ukraine, it would only be a million times more justified than any U.S. "intervention" you could name, given the fact that the U.S. overthrew the elected government. It's
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Birthers said the same thing about Obama being born in Kenya. They had just as much evidence for their claims as do you neo-McCarthyites that Russia had anything to do with anything.
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Dude, he like, can't hear you.