But even if he did go bankrupt from the CoastJet business failing, should that be broadcast to everyone as soon as they even type in his name into Google? It's completely out of context. He didn't go bankrupt from being sued by patients. He didn't go bankrupt by gambling his money at the casino (although buying into aviation at this stage of the game could be argued as riskier) - the guy is being punished needlessly.
Should people be able to buy billboard space around the world and declare to the world that you are pedophile? Or something true, a compulsive masturbator? What makes a Google autocomplete any different?
Unlike a billboard google just displays the most common search terms, it's a statistical fact, not an endorsement.
Anyone who claims this is about freedom of speech are being ridiculous.
Anyone who claims that google auto-complete reflects google's opinion is also being ridiculous. Having said that I do agree with the rest of your post, I like the basic concept of the "right to be forgotten", I also think there should be some mechanism whereby a person can demand their name be removed from a commercial search index with no questions asked other than proof of identity. OTOH I'm not sure how well that would work out in practice with common names.
Change your name and you'll be instantly forgotten. What people who say they want a "right to be forgotten" is a right to control specific information about the: hide the bad, keep the good. I'm not sure that's a good thing.
Im just not clear where all of these rights keep coming from, it seems like a new one is invented every year. What gives me a right to be forgotten? Why dont others have a "right to remember"?
Hmmmm that is probably true for the bloke in TFA but rather than you guessing what I want, how about I just tell you.
What I want is the equivalent of an old fashioned unlisted phone number. Not for me personally, I'm old enough that I don't give a shit what marketing departments think about me, but privacy (in all its forms) is a basic requirement of mental health, the human psyche demands it. I don't see why a commercial entity should have the right to publish a "dossier" (the search results) on a perso
but privacy (in all its forms) is a basic requirement of mental health, the human psyche demands it.
Citation?
I don't see why a commercial entity should have the right to publish a "dossier" (the search results) on a person against their will (as opposed to without their prior consent).
It's called "free speech". Yeah, and lots of people don't like it.
Unlike a billboard google just displays the most common search terms, it's a statistical fact, not an endorsement.
It doesn't work that way. Suggestions are not based on what is statistically relevant or factual, they are based on what helps people find the information they are looking for. A few years back "lady gaga" suggested "lady gaga is a man", back when those rumours were flying. People were interested in that nonsense so that's what it offered to find for them.
So this is more like Google saying "I see you are interested in , perhaps you would like to know about their bankruptcy?"
Having said that I do agree with the rest of your post, I like the basic concept of the "right to be forgotten", I also think there should be some mechanism whereby a person can demand their name be removed from a commercial search index with no questions asked other than proof of identity. OTOH I'm not sure how well that would work out in practice with common names.
Now, when people search for Guy Hingston they will find articles saying that he is suing Google. They will think that odd, and when they go to the article they will find out that his bankruptcy was a business venture unrelated to his medical practice, and he was not actually personally bankrupt.
Slashdot is helping to solve his problem. I feel happy already.
As others have pointed out, your misread what I wrote. Also I used the term "right to be forgotten" as a basic concept, regardless of what the EU thinks I did indicate I thought the concept was desirable but impractical.
Unlike a billboard google just displays the most common search terms, it's a statistical fact, not an endorsement.
Two things are brought to mind by this post: There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. The masses are asses.
Using the truth to spread misinformation is the nastiest way to sway opinions. Google's products unintentionally reflecting the thoughts of people that are poorly informed is only going to make the situation worse.
It's only "misinformation" if you believe that it offers an opinion. If you do believe that is the case then you have been misinformed, (ironically, in your case it could have been something you read in an auto-complete).
Professional wrestling: ballet for the common man.
Well... (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe he shouldn't of gone bankrupt.
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He didn't. His personal bankruptcy was annulled.
But even if he did go bankrupt from the CoastJet business failing, should that be broadcast to everyone as soon as they even type in his name into Google? It's completely out of context. He didn't go bankrupt from being sued by patients. He didn't go bankrupt by gambling his money at the casino (although buying into aviation at this stage of the game could be argued as riskier) - the guy is being punished needlessly.
Does this have to go to a lawsuit though? Wh
Re:Well... (Score:5, Interesting)
Should people be able to buy billboard space around the world and declare to the world that you are pedophile? Or something true, a compulsive masturbator? What makes a Google autocomplete any different?
Unlike a billboard google just displays the most common search terms, it's a statistical fact, not an endorsement.
Anyone who claims this is about freedom of speech are being ridiculous.
Anyone who claims that google auto-complete reflects google's opinion is also being ridiculous. Having said that I do agree with the rest of your post, I like the basic concept of the "right to be forgotten", I also think there should be some mechanism whereby a person can demand their name be removed from a commercial search index with no questions asked other than proof of identity. OTOH I'm not sure how well that would work out in practice with common names.
easy to be forgotten (Score:2)
Change your name and you'll be instantly forgotten. What people who say they want a "right to be forgotten" is a right to control specific information about the: hide the bad, keep the good. I'm not sure that's a good thing.
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Im just not clear where all of these rights keep coming from, it seems like a new one is invented every year. What gives me a right to be forgotten? Why dont others have a "right to remember"?
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What I want is the equivalent of an old fashioned unlisted phone number. Not for me personally, I'm old enough that I don't give a shit what marketing departments think about me, but privacy (in all its forms) is a basic requirement of mental health, the human psyche demands it. I don't see why a commercial entity should have the right to publish a "dossier" (the search results) on a perso
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Citation?
It's called "free speech". Yeah, and lots of people don't like it.
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Unlike a billboard google just displays the most common search terms, it's a statistical fact, not an endorsement.
It doesn't work that way. Suggestions are not based on what is statistically relevant or factual, they are based on what helps people find the information they are looking for. A few years back "lady gaga" suggested "lady gaga is a man", back when those rumours were flying. People were interested in that nonsense so that's what it offered to find for them.
So this is more like Google saying "I see you are interested in , perhaps you would like to know about their bankruptcy?"
Having said that I do agree with the rest of your post, I like the basic concept of the "right to be forgotten", I also think there should be some mechanism whereby a person can demand their name be removed from a commercial search index with no questions asked other than proof of identity. OTOH I'm not sure how well that would work out in practice with common names.
The EU's right to be forgotten wo
A brilliant plan, actually (Score:2)
Now, when people search for Guy Hingston they will find articles saying that he is suing Google. They will think that odd, and when they go to the article they will find out that his bankruptcy was a business venture unrelated to his medical practice, and he was not actually personally bankrupt.
Slashdot is helping to solve his problem. I feel happy already.
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Unlike a billboard google just displays the most common search terms, it's a statistical fact, not an endorsement.
Two things are brought to mind by this post:
There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
The masses are asses.
Using the truth to spread misinformation is the nastiest way to sway opinions. Google's products unintentionally reflecting the thoughts of people that are poorly informed is only going to make the situation worse.
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