I'm getting really tired of hearing this. In 2016 you might have had a point, but then that was largely due to Hilary being such an abysmal candidate. She gutted the party to prevent a repeat of 2008 where a young go getter unseated her.
In 2020? Bernie lost by 30 points. You don't cheat your way to a 30 point lead. And the "Bernie Blackout" while real didn't work. 88% of Dems are aware of and support Medicare for All, Bernie's signature issue.
No, we've got polls and we know what happened. Turnout was up 30% among young voters... and 60% among elderly voters. Old people showed up to vote and young people stayed home.
Now, you can make the argument that voter suppression heavily effected that, but you didn't bring that up. You just did an anti-Dem shit post. If you were an actual Progressive looking for progress you'd have mentioned our Winner Take All, First Past the Post voting system and the need for solutions to voter suppression solutions like Universal Vote By Mail, Automatic Registration and Ranked Choice Voting.
But yeah, gotta get those Hate Clicks and your daily dose of Outrage Porn.
Not yet anyway. If Trump wins, given what he's already doing with the post office...
We still have a functional independent media apparatus and legal system. Had the cheating been out in the open enough to allow 30 points Bernie could have called them on it and used it to win the day. Bernie's people sucked (and I say that as a Bernie Bro) but they don't suck _that_ much.
Bernie's only shot would have been to have done exactly what Trump did: Get to a contested election and threaten a 3rd party run. T
LOL, you believe the media is "independent" despite the continual, coordinated work with the DNC? Also, this logic is just fascinating:
> Bernie can't make a credible threat because he cares for American too much, and Joe Biden will be a vastly superior President that Trump, saving tons of lives.
So you're saying the support for Biden is because he doesn't "cares for American too much" (sic)?
I... actually believe you on that one, correcting for the typos, but I'm surprised to see anyone on the left admit
CNN, MSNBC & Fox News. Warren herself wasn't pissed she wouldn't be president, she was upset, heartbroken even, that there likely wouldn't be a women president in her lifetime. For all the talk about Biden dying in office with the kind of medical care he'll have access to he most likely won't. Trump survived multiple strokes (allegedly).
There are very precious few outfits I would consider independent on the left. Maybe The Intercept / Glen Greenwald, though he sure got himself into a mess with his gay partner in Brazil with allegations that they bought that seat and whatnot.
As for Warren... eh, you have a different read on that than I do. We'll have to disagree there.
If it wasn't for McCain, you might've had Palin as president though. I actually think his purpose was to sabotage her. It's amazing how much sexism the left was willing to
We all know about data mining and figuring out which people never vote and voila they all of a sudden make postal votes now. Do a postal vote analysis, check all those who did not vote for two whole election cycles or more and then all of a sudden chose to make a postal vote and fucking ask them whether or not they actually voted. The DNC primary scammed all to hell. Biden a joke candidate and Harris just to rub Tulsi Gabbards face in it, scammed with a promise that was never going to be kept, so she would
Face facts so the Progressive movement can win. We need new tactics, not just new blood. We're still following the old playbooks from the 60s for fucks sake. Those don't work anymore.
Computers will not be perfected until they can compute how much more
than the estimate the job will cost.
Well, that certainly is misinformation (Score:2, Insightful)
We tried to vote ourselves into socialism but were prevented by the DNC.
I guess we'll have to try a different box.
Not so much (Score:5, Insightful)
In 2020? Bernie lost by 30 points. You don't cheat your way to a 30 point lead. And the "Bernie Blackout" while real didn't work. 88% of Dems are aware of and support Medicare for All, Bernie's signature issue.
No, we've got polls and we know what happened. Turnout was up 30% among young voters... and 60% among elderly voters. Old people showed up to vote and young people stayed home.
Now, you can make the argument that voter suppression heavily effected that, but you didn't bring that up. You just did an anti-Dem shit post. If you were an actual Progressive looking for progress you'd have mentioned our Winner Take All, First Past the Post voting system and the need for solutions to voter suppression solutions like Universal Vote By Mail, Automatic Registration and Ranked Choice Voting.
But yeah, gotta get those Hate Clicks and your daily dose of Outrage Porn.
Those are rookie numbers (Score:2)
> Bernie lost by 30 points. You don't cheat your way to a 30 point lead.
A 30 point lead is nothing, I hear that in China, Xi gets 100% of the vote.
We're not China (Score:1)
We still have a functional independent media apparatus and legal system. Had the cheating been out in the open enough to allow 30 points Bernie could have called them on it and used it to win the day. Bernie's people sucked (and I say that as a Bernie Bro) but they don't suck _that_ much.
Bernie's only shot would have been to have done exactly what Trump did: Get to a contested election and threaten a 3rd party run. T
So why vote for the party that supports China? (Score:2)
LOL, you believe the media is "independent" despite the continual, coordinated work with the DNC? Also, this logic is just fascinating:
> Bernie can't make a credible threat because he cares for American too much, and Joe Biden will be a vastly superior President that Trump, saving tons of lives.
So you're saying the support for Biden is because he doesn't "cares for American too much" (sic)?
I... actually believe you on that one, correcting for the typos, but I'm surprised to see anyone on the left admit
There are other Journalistic options besides (Score:2)
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There are very precious few outfits I would consider independent on the left. Maybe The Intercept / Glen Greenwald, though he sure got himself into a mess with his gay partner in Brazil with allegations that they bought that seat and whatnot.
As for Warren... eh, you have a different read on that than I do. We'll have to disagree there.
If it wasn't for McCain, you might've had Palin as president though. I actually think his purpose was to sabotage her. It's amazing how much sexism the left was willing to
Re: (Score:2)
We all know about data mining and figuring out which people never vote and voila they all of a sudden make postal votes now. Do a postal vote analysis, check all those who did not vote for two whole election cycles or more and then all of a sudden chose to make a postal vote and fucking ask them whether or not they actually voted. The DNC primary scammed all to hell. Biden a joke candidate and Harris just to rub Tulsi Gabbards face in it, scammed with a promise that was never going to be kept, so she would
If you keep running from truth you'll end as loser (Score:2)