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French Telecom Claims To Have Forced Google To Pay For Traffic 207

Posted by Soulskill
from the setting-a-precedent dept.
Dupple writes "The head of French telecoms operator Orange said on Wednesday it had been able to impose a deal on Google to compensate it for the vast amounts of traffic sent across its networks. Orange CEO Stephane Richard said on France's BFM Business TV that with 230 million clients and areas where Google could not get around its network, it had been able to reach a 'balance of forces' with the Internet search giant. Richard declined to cite the figure Google had paid Orange, but said the situation showed the importance of reaching a critical size in business. Network operators have been fuming for years that Google, with its search engine and YouTube video service, generates huge amounts of traffic but does not compensate them for using their networks. An editorial piece at GigaOm says Google is abandoning its principles and giving Orange 'the incentive to demand the same from other content providers.'"
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French Telecom Claims To Have Forced Google To Pay For Traffic

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  • Makes no sense. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by CurunirAran (2811035) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @02:54PM (#42634901)
    The Internet IS DATA. I don't get ISPs. They provide low quality service at exorbitant prices, and then complain about clients using their services.
  • What? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by K. S. Kyosuke (729550) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @02:55PM (#42634909)

    "Network operators have been fuming for years that Google, with its search engine and YouTube video service, generates huge amounts of traffic but does not compensate them for using their networks."

    Are these the same operators who make users pay for the bandwidth consumed by the YT videos the users view as part of their ISP contracts? So they want to be paid twice for the traffic, or what?

  • Google Fiber (Score:5, Insightful)

    by areusche (1297613) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @02:58PM (#42634927)
    It's crap like this that I bet is pushing Google to roll out their own fiber. With crap like this and the entrenched nature of ISPs and media companies, I look forward to the day Google's vast walled garden pushes out players like this. I'd rather be in a Google Garden than a Comcast, Orange, or worse. Too bad competition isn't fostered taking one turd for another.
  • Re:Makes no sense. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cob666 (656740) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @03:00PM (#42634941) Homepage
    I was under the impression that end users were paying for bandwidth they're using. Now ISPs want usage paid for by the user AND the content provider? Nice business model.
  • Re:Makes no sense. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sumdumass (711423) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @03:02PM (#42634955) Journal

    Maybe this will work out in our favor. Perhaps it will lead me to forcing best buy to pay me for buying their products or something.

    Sarcasm aside, I completely agree. Unless Google is using some sort of peering agreement and just going through their network, all the bandwidth and everything is already paid for by the customer who requests it. There is absolutely no reason to have it paid for twice.

  • by HangingChad (677530) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @03:06PM (#42634987) Homepage

    Network operators have been fuming for years that Google, with its search engine and YouTube video service, generates huge amounts of traffic but does not compensate them for using their networks.

    I remember when the US government turned over the internet backbone to the telecos. The deal was they would get the infrastructure in exchange for upgrading the network and the telecos were all about that deal, for a few years. Then AT&T started making noise about places like Google not paying for "their" pipe.

    If it's that unprofitable, give it back to the government or sell it. Get out of the network business if it's that hard. Notice that idea never comes up.

  • Re:Makes no sense. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Wandering Voice (2267950) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @03:08PM (#42635003)

    They provide low quality service at exorbitant prices, and then complain about clients using their services.

    Yeah, no shit. I don't recall Comcast, Qwest, Charter, or Century offering any kind of quality search engine or a user generated content service such as YouTube. I'm not praising Google for their services, but if any is to be given, Google has earned more than any of the ISPs I've suffered.

  • Full of shit (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Mullen (14656) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @03:20PM (#42635079)

    The CEO of Orange is full of shit. There is no way that Google or any other provider would pay a carrier a "fee", since if they did, EVERYONE would start charging Google.

    Google is not dumb, they know when they pay out the first carrier, they will be paying out a lot of other carriers. I am really sure that Google would cut off France (or whom ever Orange carrier for) rather than give in. Google not only would have the users on their side (You know, they PAY for Internet), but also the local governments and every other business out there. Orange is just blowing smoke up people's asses on this one.

  • Re:Makes no sense. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Samantha Wright (1324923) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @03:43PM (#42635183) Homepage Journal
    Then shouldn't Orange have a contract with that 'other provider' to act as either (a) a customer or (b) a push-pull arrangement, like big top-tier American companies do?
  • Re:Makes no sense. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jbo5112 (154963) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @04:21PM (#42635323)

    Google is changing it by coming an ISP. As soon as they offer service in a reasonable share of the market, they can refuse to pay anyone. If the ISP doesn't comply, they can't offer Google to their customers. Orange gets Internet lite. This gives me yet another reason to dislike France.

    Google is probably running traffic straight from their networks to Orange, so charging the smaller, connecting network an interconnect fee isn't out of line. However, with two large netowks, they usually just call it even. Google's customer facing network is the 2nd largest in the world, without even counting the new Kansas City service, so it would actually make more sense for Google to charge them.

    If I were Google, during negotiations I would have run ads to Orange customers on the main page about Orange wanting to charge Google for bandwidth customers paid for, and point out that additional fees would make it more difficult to run a free service, possibly shutting down access. It would give Google more leverage to just say no to fees, especially if Orange is getting 100,000's of complaints. Option 2 is to charge the customers for each youtube video and explain why. If running Internet search is lucrative, then why is no one else making money on it? Microsoft is losing $1 billion or so per year, and Yahoo nearly went bankrupt.

  • absurd (Score:5, Insightful)

    by excelsior_gr (969383) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @05:19PM (#42635577)

    This story is absurd any way you look at it.
    First of all, the telecom's customers already paid them for the traffic. The telecom should shut up and deliver their product already (with the promised bandwidth).
    Second, Google should just ignore them. What will the telecom do? Block Google? Good luck with that. I would be surprised if they'd have any customers left by the end of the month.
    Third, if Google pays up, suddenly all telecoms around the globe will come asking for money. Nobody in their right mind would succumb to such an absurd demand from some telecom.

  • Re:Makes no sense. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by davester666 (731373) on Saturday January 19, 2013 @06:50PM (#42635995) Journal

    Hell, what if they just refused to pay right now, and instead of sending regular traffic to that network, send a "You are being held hostage by your ISP, which is demanding that we pay them so you can access our services, even though you have already paid them to access the internet. Please complain to your ISP and/or government."

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